I would have reacted the same way laura, I do not allow people to grab me without my permission, have had issues in the past with that. And usually if they grab my elbow or other part of my body without permission I flinch and pull away usually instantaniously. Yep have had the men try to cop a feel. Actually, I remember this one buy. it was in the Cinncinnatti AirPort, and he was a walking escourt to my next gate. He grabed my arm, pinned it to his body and marched off, calling me "love", I told him he could relax as I was being dragged, smile, through the airport and that my guide dog could follow him, but nothing doing. It was a nightmare. Smile, and he physically prevented me from letting go. Never met someone so strong. Was very happy when we got to my gate. Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Alumni Association Board www.guidedogs.com Dog ownership is like a rainbow. Puppies are the joy at one end. Old dogs are the treasure at the other. Carolyn Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth and Burton" <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:23 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful People Reality is grabbing someone, particularly a woman without asking first is a stressful and possibly dangerous experience for the person being grabbed. I understand the need to help. I will stress in the book what we all know and have been trying to stress and will use humor to do it. The human being is equipped with a mouth and the ability to use it. Please let's learn the following phrases. Repeat after me children: "May I pet your dog." "Do you need help." alternatives to "Do you need help" include "Are you all right?" The implicit thing often thought is "I am worried about you. Do you need help?" (can I stop worrying) and the other question is "I have nobody to help and here is a person I can help." I do not like this attitude much since I dislike being an object attracting folks who feel so non-needed and attracting them for their needs not my help By the way, you can tell that kind. Those are the ones who keep insisting and hang on after you have said you do not need help. On a more ominous note, I think there are men who physically grab blind women for the same reason they would like to grab or touch a woman or any kind. You can tell this kind because he is the one who tries to cop a feel of my tit while I am hholding his arm to cross a street. Bottom line, I thin, is that anyone needs to be at least a bit concerned about somebody grabbing them particularly in situations where he might be trying to pick your pocket or such. The fact is many of that kind are put off some by dogs. I also think women who are blind get physically contacted more than do blind men. Somebody from AFB wrote a NY Times article about it a few years ago. I will do my best to get ahold of it. I want AFB in on the book project in some way, by the way. This thing really might take off. E. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/568 - Release Date: 12/4/2006 To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.