hey Guido, do you want to take the first wack. I see there are a Ton of books in the text format by a few submitters. And I also see that these books mostly marked fair are very unpopular as they have been submitted, but nothing has been done to them since. So... smile. Shall you be the first to start resubmitting silloute Romances and Christian Romances, and Just "romance". I am just not a romance person so rescanning or at least the thought of rescanning these things does not appeal to me at all. But... smile. Each is to their own. I will have to admit that your "perfectionism" is rubbing off on me. I shall have to try your solution of scanning and then later recognizing on the two dictionaries I have to do. But really, are you ready to rescan those romances, as they are the ones that are sitting there. There is also a "fair" book which I suspect wouldn't be. It is put up by our Kenneth Cross, and I tried to approve it, but the site didn't like the file and all attempts at trying to fix it failed. Amnesia has page breaks, and rank spelling gave it a 99.87 percent accuracy with a few minor corrections. Smile. So some of those fairs are not really fair. Smile. Now if I could perfect your 'editing" without reading techniques poor Bookshare might not know what to do with the storm of files I would be sending its way. As it stands I read them, and then submit them. Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Advisory Council www.guidedogs.com The vision must be followed by the venture. It is not enough to stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs. -- Vance Havner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido Corona" <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: txt page breaks redux Kelly, if the scanner is the cause of the quality problem, a minimal $45 investment will get them a perfectly good EPSON 1650 at the EPSON refurb store. If someone can't afford that, I can't even see how they can't possibly afford a monthly Internet connection charge. A barely higher $124 will get them a modern refurb EPSON 3170 in the same place. If Kurzweil or Openbook were too costly and rehab funding were not available, the ABBY Fine Reader Professional 7.0 is a perfectly high quality solution, as the spottless submission from Donna Smith testify. As you said, obsolete equipment is not a good excuse. A little up-front work prior to submission typically ensures that a good part of the errors have been fixed. A spotcheck can also detect bunch of missing words etc. . . Now, think about time usage: is it better to work 20 hours to salvage a single book, or spend the same total amount of time and end with 3 to 4 submissions at the end? Let's not even think about the fact that our paying subscribers will find the collection grown by 4 instead of 1 at the end of your effort. Let us think about our work benefitting other volunteers? Your 20 hours can be spent giving credit to 1 sloppy submitter, or give credit to 4 other good ones. Now, tell me where you will work, if the greater good of the volunteer community is paramount to you. And if instead you think about your own credits, as a reviewer, your 20 hours can get you 1 credit, or can get you 4, depending on what you work on. So, as you can see, whether you think about our customers, the volunteer community at large, or your own interest, the outcome seems to be the same. Unless we think of these files as orphan, hungry, sick children, in need of comfort, and nurture. Which I am afraid they are not. Guido Guido Dante Corona IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx. Research Division, Phone: 512. 838. 9735. Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.ibm.com/able "Kellie Hartmann" <kellhart@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 12/28/2004 08:19 PM Please respond to bksvol-discuss To <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [bksvol-discuss] Re: txt page breaks redux Oh Guido, great Lord High Rejecter of all, <grin> That's fantastic if you have access to a copy of the book. Oftentimes the volunteer may not, and a certain amount of error-correcting really isn't that onerous, especially if you're going to read the book anyway. I do think, though, that it's nice when people who, because of older equipment, can't get scans that live up to our modern high standards go through and do some work on their submissions before submitting. After all, there's a lot more credit for submitting than there is for validating. Kellie