[bksvol-discuss] Re: Multiple titles
- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:46:21 -0700
He was responding to a question I had when he had said that he had found four
titles in an html version of a book in which I had six titles in the brf
version, and I was curious as to how the number could be different.
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Morales
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Multiple titles
Hi, Gerald. I understand what you're saying, and really, I wasn't even
thinking of the difference between the HTML and BRF files. I was only
wondering, maybe rhetorically, how it could be that it's been around for a
while but I'd never noticed it. Of course, it could be a recent thing in the
BRF files, which are what I use, but has been in the HTML files for a while. I
wouldn't know. <smile> Take care.
Julie Morales
Life is a gift from God. What we do with it is our gift to Him.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Hovas
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Multiple titles
Well, it's possible that it's only recently shown up in the BRF files. As
I said, there's no reason why the number of titles have to be the same in the
HTML and BRF files, and the HTML files could have been the same all this time
and the BRF recently changed. That's why Pratik is continueing to look into
the BRF issue.
As for why the two might be different, well I'd expect that the need to
have the legal notice in grade two Braille in the BRF files would explain why
that could be possible. Even if it's the same tool adding the legal notice to
the two different file formats, it wouldn't be the same exact code if the legal
notice in the BRF files is being translated or if there's a translated version
which is being added in place of the regular one.
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julie Morales
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:37 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Multiple titles
It's interesting that this appears to have been the case for a long time
now, because I've noticed the multiple titles, but only fairly recently. I
haven't seen it in too many books I've read, but I've been reading some of the
books I've downloaded quite a while back, but when I know it's something I've
downloaded at least somewhat recently, that's where the multiple titles seem to
be. Take care.
Julie Morales
Life is a gift from God. What we do with it is our gift to Him.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Hovas
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:36 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
OK, I've also goneback and checked some of the earliest files I
downloaded, and they have the multiple titles at the top of the file, too.
Looks like it's always been there, or at least for a couple of years, and no
one's noticed or bothered to ask before.
I don't see why they should be there, but I don't think it's a big deal.
Still, I'll mention it to Bookshare.
HTH
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerald Hovas
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:23 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
Interesting. I checked the HTML file, and it has multiple titles at the
top of it as well. It has the title, followed by the author and title,
followed by the title twice. Looks like Bookshare has a problem with the tool
which adds the legal notice at the top of the books.
Pratik and I'll check into it.
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:07 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
The version of "Knife of Dreams" has six titles at the top. First
there's the centered title, then the author's name, then five more titles, some
centered, some just indented two spaces in the brf file I have. They appear to
alternate between being centered and indented two spaces, but there are six of
them, then one more after the legal boilerplate.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Hovas
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
Jill,
No, I don't. That's the first I've heard about the problem. Would you
mind sending me a few names of some books which have the problem so I can ask
about it?
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:38 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
Gerald, to you happen to know why we are seeing the book title five or
six times in a row in the newer books; at least this is the case in braille.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Hovas
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
Monica,
Whoever designed the Stripper seems to have taken the title page into
consideration. I wouldn't worry about this page. The only pages at the
beginning of the book where it might be necessary to worry about something
getting stripped would be the headings on the pages of the Table of Contents
and the Acknowledgements. I've been treating these headings like chapter
headings and protecting them.
As for the roman numeral pages at the beginning of books, I'd treat
them the same as the headers and page numbers in the rest of the book. The
Stripper seems to have been designed to handle roman numerals as page numbers.
At least I haven't noticed any difference in how the Stripper treats them. The
evidence that the Stripper seems to understand them is that it's not adding
page numbers to these pages in the HTML files. I've recently noticed that the
Stripper seems to have a problem with blank pages where a page number has been
added, making the page number the only thing on the page. I've spotted two
page numbers on these pages in the HTML files, indicating that the Stripper
didn't recognize the page number and didn't strip it. The Stripper appears to
be storing a page number in the SMIL file based on what it expected to find but
didn't, and then adding that guess back to that page when the HTML file is
created resulting in two page numbers for the page. As I said, I haven't
noticed a second set of page numbers on the pages with roman numerals, so the
Stripper appears to understand that they are page numbers and treats them
accordingly. However, I haven't been looking that close at them, though,
because I don't recall having worked on a book which had them. My advice would
be to treat them as if they were arabic page numbers, then download the book
once it makes it into the collection and see what happened. I'll try to pay
closer attention when I validate a book with roman numerals to see exactly what
is happening.
HTH
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Cortada
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:26 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Stripper and Preliminary Pages
What would be the ideal treatment of the first few pages of a book
like the title page? Should a placeholder header be put here for the stripper
to strip?
Also, what should be done with the roman numeral page numbers at the
beginning of a book?
Sorry to have so many questions and thanks for your patience.
Monica in Maryland
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