[bksvol-discuss] Meaning of acronymRE: Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and Reading Accessibility

Hi, Debby, Kim here. HTH is a shortcut way of saying "hope that (or this)
helps". I personally prefer to write what I want to say without resorting to
such computer shorthand. Regards, Kim. 

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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby Franson
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:55 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and Reading
Accessibility

Hi Lynnsky!

You must have had the page that Melissa had, because we had the same
experience with the combo box and play button after I followed Melissa's
link.  Thanks for your help by describing yur experiences.  It showed we
were on the same page, both litterally and figuratively.

What does HTH mean?  I have seen it in a few messages including yours.

Debby

At 12:44 AM 12/19/2009, Lynn I wrote
>Hi Debby!
>
>I don't remember how many voices were in the combo box. There were at 
>least three or more English voices, including an Australian English 
>one. There were also several voices in other languages. I didn't find a 
>specific play button for each voice. I chose the voice from within the 
>combo box, and used the play button below to open Windows Media Player.
>
>HTH
>
>Blessings.
>
>Lynnsky
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby Franson
>Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 3:46 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and Reading 
>Accessibility
>
>Hi Lynnsky and Melissa!
>
>Did you have more than three voices to listen too?  On the page where I 
>was successful that I wrote about earlier, I had the button for each 
>voice and Windows Media Player came up just as for you.
>
>Debby
>
>At 06:06 PM 12/17/2009, Lynn I wrote
> >Hi Debby!
> >
> >I did pretty much the same thing. There is a combo box that allows 
> >you to choose the voice you want to listen to. Below that is a (play) 
> >button. I also just opened the file and didn't save it.
> >
> >After I listened to one voice, I closed the link to (media player) 
> >and went back into the combo box and chose another voice. There a 
> >quite a few good ones on the site.
> >
> >HTH
> >
> >Blessings.
> >
> >Lynnsky
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa 
> >Smith
> >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:02 PM
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and 
> >Reading Accessibility
> >
> >Debby,
> >I also use Window-Eyes. Here is what I did. I changed the voice, 
> >which automatically changed the text in the box. The page would 
> >refresh after I switched voices. After the page had refreshed, I 
> >pressed play. A dialog popped up, asking if I wanted to open or save 
> >the file. I chose to
>open it.
> >It took a little while to download, as the files were about
> >1 MB. Once it ad downloaded, Windows Media Player automatically 
> >opened and played the sample text in the voice I selected.
> >
> >Melissa
> >
> >
> >
> >Debby Franson wrote:
> > > Hi Chela!
> > >
> > > I followed your link, which brought me to a list of all of the 
> > > voices and text of what they said, but, although I followed the 
> > > instructions to click on the version to hear the voice both with 
> > > the enter key and routing the Window-Eyes mouse and clicking with 
> > > the left mouse button hot key, nothing happened on any of the 
> > > voices. I was on a different page when I heard Simon. That time, 
> > > there was a link to the sample, unlike what I found on this page.
> > >
> > > Debby
> > >
> > > At 02:25 PM 12/15/2009, Chela Robles wrote
> > >> Hello everyone, here is a demo page of Lequendo voices they sound 
> > >> quite natural don't you think?
> > >> Enjoy and let me know what you all think, 
> > >> http://www.loquendo.com/en/demos/demo_tts.htm
> > >>
> > >> ----------------
> > >> "If you go without playing the trumpet for one day, no one knows, 
> > >> two days, only you know, and more than three days without 
> > >> practicing, girl you better look out, because everyone will know!"
> > >> Today, I find myself constantly saying those words, just to get 
> > >> myself going, to not give up, and it works. Since I learned to 
> > >> play the trumpet at the tender age of 10, I have spent so much 
> > >> passion and much diligence with that instrument that I will not give
up on it.
> > >> Sometimes my instrument puts me into awkward situations where I 
> > >> feel like they won't ever end, but the trumpet gives me a lot of 
> > >> hope with the majestic, crystal-clear sound it brings to my ears.
> > >> ----------------
> > >> Chela Robles
> > >> E-Mail: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx
> > >> MSNWindowsLive Messenger: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Skype: jazzytrumpet
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Maples"
> > >> <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:42 AM
> > >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and 
> > >> Reading Accessibility
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> It certainly might be indicative of a Central Auditory 
> > >>> Processing disorder, only testing can tell for sure.
> > >>>
> > >>> Valerie
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Roger Loran Bailey wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> For those of you who know something about audio processing 
> > >>>> disorders I wonder if you can make a guess as to whether I have 
> > >>>> one. I do not have a problem understanding synthetic voices or 
> > >>>> any of the talking book narrators, but I seem to have a problem 
> > >>>> understanding a person talking when there is back ground noise. 
> > >>>> I do not necessarily mean loudness, but that is a definite problem.
> > >>>> I mean even soft sounds like elevator music in the background. 
> > >>>> I have a very difficult time having a conversation with someone 
> > >>>> on a city sidewalk. I have to keep asking for the speaker to 
> > >>>> repeat her or himself and I have noticed that some people 
> > >>>> become annoyed
>with me.
> > >>>> This is a problem I have always had and for the most part I 
> > >>>> have not thought about it being abnormal, but when no one else 
> > >>>> seems to have a problem understanding someone in the exact same 
> > >>>> environment I have sometimes wondered. The best way I can 
> > >>>> describe it is to say that it seems to me that the background 
> > >>>> noise is as important as what
> > >>> I am trying to listen to and it is a conscious effort on my part 
> > >>> to ignore it.
> > >>>> "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them 
> > >>>> to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."
> > >>>> - Susan B. Anthony
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The Militant:
> > >>>> http://www.themilitant.com
> > >>>> Pathfinder Press:
> > >>>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> > >>>> Granma International:
> > >>>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Maples"
> > >>>> <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:44 PM
> > >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and 
> > >>>> Reading Accessibility
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dear Monica;
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Just like so many areas in health care, there are a wide range 
> > >>>> of variance in people who have auditory processing disorders. I 
> > >>>> certainly don't know what is considered typical, I just know 
> > >>>> about the spectrum they can cover. The new Acapello voices are 
> > >>>> far superior for most people. I think you will be pleased with 
> > >>>> the investment.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Unfortunately I am in no position to site I have read things as 
> > >>>> my computers are in total upheaval. I can only speak to my 2 
> > >>>> children who were identified as having auditory processing 
> > >>>> disorders and the fact that they could not follow commands by 
> > >>>> earlier speech devices using DECtalk and I was told that that 
> > >>>> was common. I know that many individuals with auditory 
> > >>>> processing disorders could not retain information presented in 
> > >>>> SAPI 4 voices and then he still can only use some of the SAPI 5 
> > >>>> voices. Sorry I cannot be of more help. I know more about 
> > >>>> solutions then the research
>behind them. Smiles.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Valerie
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Monica Willyard wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Valerie. I'm probably an odd exception to the auditory 
> > >>>>> processing disorder group. I don't know what is typical, and 
> > >>>>> I'm learning more about it as I go. I was only correctly 
> > >>>>> diagnosed this year, as an adult.
> > >>>>> Like Nicole,
> > >>>>> I like the new Acapella voice Bookshare gives us and would 
> > >>>>> love to have all of my devices and programs use that voice, 
> > >>>>> especially JAWS. I'm going to buy it for my computer as soon 
> > >>>>> as I can afford it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You mentioned that people with auditory processing disorder 
> > >>>>> don't recognize TTS speech as sound. That confuses me a little.
> > >>>>> Do you have any books or web sites you could recommend about 
> > >>>>> this? If there is no information on Bookshare, I will look for 
> > >>>>> a couple of books to scan about it. I seem to be backward if 
> > >>>>> this is
>normal.
> > >>>>> Then again, I'm blind too, so maybe normal isn't really 
> > >>>>> applicable.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I do well using specific types of speech, and there are some 
> > >>>>> human readers I can barely comprehend. My inability to 
> > >>>>> understand certain readers makes those books inaccessible for 
> > >>>>> me unless I scan them for myself. That's something champions 
> > >>>>> of audiobooks probably don't really understand. I look at the 
> > >>>>> name of the narrator of a book or listen to a sample of the 
> > >>>>> speech before even considering buying it from Audible.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I like books that are in a text format so I can use a voice 
> > >>>>> that I understand clearly. I prefer Braille if I can get it. 
> > >>>>> If not, I need a fairly constant, very clear, and unaccented 
> > >>>>> voice to cope with reading. When I have to use a device with a 
> > >>>>> confusing voice, I use my computer to record books into mp3 
> > >>>>> files using a voice that I do understand well. Then I put my 
> > >>>>> good files on the bad device and can function well.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Knowing what I'm dealing with, and that it will benefit our 
> > >>>>> deaf/blind members as well, I usually end up scanning books I 
> > >>>>> want to read from NLS unless they have the book in WebBraille. 
> > >>>>> I often end up scanning my Audible books too, especially ones 
> > >>>>> that I want to learn from or read in depth.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Monica Willyard
> > >>>>> "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter 
> > >>>>> Drucker
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> > >>>>> Valerie Maples
> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:18 PM
> > >>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publishers and Bookshare As a 
> > >>>>> Library
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I have to agree with Judy. As a matter of fact, Nichole would 
> > >>>>> never listen to a synthetic voice until the acapella voices 
> > >>>>> that are now available on her device. I don't know anyone who 
> > >>>>> prefers TTS over audio books and most are more than willing to 
> > >>>>> pay for the alternative. The only people who learn to accept 
> > >>>>> TTS are those who need a wider range of books or budget 
> > >>>>> constraints make the other alternative unaffordable. Then 
> > >>>>> there are people with auditory processing disorders who do not 
> > >>>>> even acknowledge TTS as speech as it is processed slightly
differently in the brain.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> In my opinion we need to constantly be exploring and expanding 
> > >>>>> all mediums all of text accessibility and in a cooperative 
> > >>>>> effort like Bookshare, I think that everyone comes out winners.
> > >>>>> I know that even though I have a membership now I will 
> > >>>>> probably almost exclusively be a volunteer due to time 
> > >>>>> constraints, but being a member will allow me to check how 
> > >>>>> certain things are handled in the final process or view how 
> > >>>>> proofreaders have handled
>my scans.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Interesting dialogue everyone...
> > >>>>> Valerie
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > >>>>>> Behalf Of Judy s.
> > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:39 PM
> > >>>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publishers and Bookshare As a 
> > >>>>>> Library
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I view the disabling of TTS as about as silly as the digital 
> > >>>>>> rights management.
> > >>>>> <snip>
> > >>>>>> I don't know a single sighted person, other than myself, who 
> > >>>>>> will willingly listen to listen to a book that they can read 
> > >>>>>> by listening to it in a synthetic voice. Me? I can't afford 
> > >>>>>> expensive audible downloads, and the NLS's offerings are very 
> > >>>>>> limited in my tastes, so listening to books via bookshare 
> > >>>>>> downloads using either DAISY or Text Aloud has become an 
> > >>>>>> acquired taste, one I've become used to and actually very 
> > >>>>>> much
>enjoy.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If sighted readers were the least bit interested in hearing 
> > >>>>>> books read with a synthetic voice, I suspect the market would 
> > >>>>>> be flooded with that sort of book. Why? It is much cheaper 
> > >>>>>> for a book publisher to produce that en masse than it is to 
> > >>>>>> hire a professional reader and studio to produce the master 
> > >>>>>> for each and every book that becomes an audible book.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I really doubt that sales of human-read audible books would 
> > >>>>>> waver one whit if ebooks had TTS enabled. It would expand the 
> > >>>>>> market of ebooks available to the sighted/disabled reader, 
> > >>>>>> but that's about it.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Just my opinion. Grin.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Judy s.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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