[bksvol-discuss] Re: M dashes and fonts
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:43:10 -0800
Hi, as for me, a hyphen is different from a dash for reasons Sue Stevens
and Roger Bailey stated; however if one is using a dash in Braille one
doesn't put a space before or after it contrary to works in print. The
important thing is I understand the difference between hyphens and
dashes even though my screen reader may not. I also learned that two
hyphens constituted one dash and said dash was used to isolate a phrase
in a sentence to amplify or illustrate what came before it and
connecting that with what comes after it. A hyphen divides a word when
one reaches the end of a line or for compound words. At one time, one
would always write to-day rather than as today, cook-book rather than
cookbook, etc. I suspect people who spent time as secretaries as my
mother did had definite ideas about the difference between hyphens and
dashes. I believe she told me about such when I was little and teachers
in school re-enforced that. Regards, Kim Friedman.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran
Bailey
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 4:26 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dashes and fonts
Back when I was learning to type in high school different typewriters
had
different numbers of keys. Some typewriters did not have a 1 key, so it
was
necessary to represent a 1 with an l. As I recall, most typewriters did
not
have a dash, so since a dash is simply a rather long hyphen it was
represented with two hyphens. Perhaps I am remembering wrong, but I seem
to
recall that some typewriters did have a dash key. As I sit here before a
computer key board with all the various keys that did not even exist
back
then on any typewriter I do kind of wonder why there is still no dash
key.
Whatever the reason, I still retain the convention of using two hyphens
for
the dash. I can't think of any situations in which you would have a
double
hyphen without it being a dash, but if there are any then the context of
the
double hyphen should let any of us know that it is a dash. That is why
when
I used the word dash I meant double hyphen, at least I meant that is how
I
would type a dash. To me a double hyphen is a dash.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Stevens" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 4:30 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dashes and fonts
>
> Hi Mayrie,
>
> In the days when I took dictation on the dictaphone, if someone said
> dash,
> they meant two hyphens, not one hyphen. If they said hyphen, they
meant
> one hyphen, not a dash, which was two hyphens. Thus, I do not
understand
> what you mean when you say we were never told to convert M-dashes to
> dashes. (smile)
>
> Sue S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:14 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dashes and fonts
>
>
>> Hi Roger,
>>
>> Never were we told to convert em dashes to a dash. It used to be
>> necessary
>> to convert them to two hyphens, but now the conversion tools do this
for
>> us.
>> A dash is a hyphen creating a compound word, an em dash, or in the
old
>> days,
>> two hyphens denoted a pause in the reading. Very, very different
things,
>> so
>> if people are converting em dashes to a single hyphen or dash,
they're
>> not
>> helping at all!
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran
>> Bailey
>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 10:07 AM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dashes and fonts
>>
>> As I recall, we were told some time back that it is better if we
>> change
>> the
>> m dashes to a dash, but it is not required.
>>
>>
>> _ _ _
>>
>> "Everything must justify its existence before the judgment seat of
>> Reason,
>> or give up existence." - Friedrich Engels
>>
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>>
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Regina Alvarado" <regina.alvarado6@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:59 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dashes and fonts
>>
>>
>>> Ah something else I didn't know. I have been changing those crazy
>>> M-s
>>> to
>>> 1
>>> dash. One less step I guess! Sorry Cindy for the misinformation.
>>> Reggie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chela
>>> Robles
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:47 PM
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dashes and fonts
>>>
>>> Cindy good news you can leave the m dashes in since the braille
>>> translation software can now read them correctly, as far as fonts
>>> go, I'll let someone
>>> else answer that. Smiley good to have you back again.
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>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:42 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] M dashes and fonts
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ugh, I have proofread before, but there are things I should
>>>> remember. If I have to do a training book, not sure I will cause
>>>> I'm not sure I have the time.
>>>>
>>>> First of all, if the book has m dashes, do we take those out, or do
>>>> they translate into double hyphens. Or should they be changed to
>>>> --. Second, am I supposed to go through this book and find fonts to
>>>> change. Some of these say 11 point, not greater than 14.
>>>>
>>>> Metyhinks these are my only questions about the book.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
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