[bksvol-discuss] Re: Limited Comments on Bookshare Manual
- From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:41:32 -0700
I'm not sure what Gary's message means.
I really appreciated Mayrie's clear description of how to use the ellipses;
however, the question remains--do we use braille transcription rules or the
rule given in the current edition of the manual? Who knows?
Lori C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Petraccaro
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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 3:30 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Limited Comments on Bookshare Manual
I am beginning to think that we should follow ebook practices except where
impossible.
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From: Mike
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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 12:17 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Limited Comments on Bookshare Manual
I like that concept, treat an ellipsis as a word. I think I would know
exactly what to do in every case following that rule. However, I also know
that print books are nowhere near that consistent.
Misha
On 7/22/2010 4:28 PM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
Hi Gary,
The braille transcription manual essentially says to treat the elipsis as
if it were a word. This means that if there is an opening quote before the
elipsis, no space should come before the elipsis. And if there is a period and
closing quote following the elipsis, that no space should come between. But
between words, the elipsis should be surrounded by spaces. Also, if the elipsis
is followed by a closing quote, there should be no space between the elipsis
and the closing quotation mark. Finally, and this is different from what I
learned years ago, if a period and an elipsis are together, rules of grammar
need to be used to determine the placement of the elipsis. If the sentence is
a fragment, not containing both a subject and a verb, (isn't a complete
sentence), but there is a period, the elipsis should come before the period
with no space between. If the elipsis follows a complete sentence, the period
should follow the sentence as usual, and the elipsis following should be
preceded and followed by a space.
All that said, and I do realize that it is a bit complex, as long as
there are NO spaces within the elipsis, it will be rendered accurately by
Bookshare's braille translation tools. And, as far as I know, it needs to be
typed on the keyboard as three periods, not as the elipsis symbol, because said
symbol is not translated correctly.
Okay, I hope that was clear. If not, please ask. And, may I suggest
that if anyone thinks they might need this information in future for refreshing
the memory as many of us (myself included), please keep this note to refer to
so I don't have to express myself sensibly and clearly again. I might not do so
well a second time.
Mayrie
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Are you saying that the 3 periods should be together, preceded and
followed by a space, except where the last period is followed by a quote?
Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mayrie ReNae
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Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:50 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Limited Comments on Bookshare Manual
Hi Lori,
I can comment only educatedly on one of your points. The elipsis
should be preceded and/or followed by a space unless a punctuation mark
precedes or follows the elipsis immediately. That said, as long as spaces do
not occur within the elipsis, the braille translation software will render the
elipsis accurately. The spaces before and after the elipsis are only rules that
need to be followed if the braille code is intended to be taken into
consideration.
Hope that clarifies at least that point.
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:53 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Limited Comments on Bookshare Manual
Hi, Scott and Everyone,
I am going to make just a few comments on the content of the volunteer
manual.
In 4 I the discussion of ellipses, I am puzzled by the instructions.
The issue has come up over and over on this list and I thought the last
consensus was that when an ellipses occurs midsentence, the ellipses should be
preceeded and followed by a space. I will follow the instructions in the
manual and hope the translation software will handle them correctly. The
instructions say to not include a space before a mid-sentence ellipses, but to
put a space only after the ellipses and before the following word.
In 4 K regarding bullets, the manual says that it is not necessary to
change a tab following a bullet into a space. Does the translation software
now change tabs into spaces?
In the sections on ellipses and bullets the text gives exampoles. In
these examples each line is preceeded by a number of spaces. Personally, I
wish those spaces were not present. Whhen I read those lines by moving through
character by character to see what is happening the spaces are just a nuisance.
I never could access the Section When and How to Reject a Book
In the section on How to renew a Book the instructions refer to
clicking the Volunteer Home link on the left side of the taskbar--that is a
visual orientation.
Under D5, volunteers are instructed to notify Bookshare if they want a
hold removed from a book. I thought that a book would not languish-as the
manual states-but would be removed if the book sat on the checkout page for two
weeks.
I wish I could make more comments, but I do not have the fortitude to
continue struggling with the navigation of this manual; for me, it is too
painful.
I would rather spend my time proofreading.
Lori C.
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