[bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:05:27 -0800 (PST)
Thanks, Mayrie. That's very interesting. But if the kids aren't blind, I wonder
why it's so necessary to describe the photos in the textbooks (the Poet
project), especially since the teachers, unless they are blind, can descibe
them. I don't mind doing them; it's an interesting challenge (describing
photos always is, but one tries to convey what one sees as explicitly as
possible do as to enable the blind person to "se"in is/her mind's eye
Cindy
Cindy
>________________________________
> From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:12 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind
>
>
>Hi Cindy,
>
>The majority of Bookshare members are students in grades
k-12. As to their disabilities, I'm not certain, but blindness is one of
the lowest percentages of disabilities of Bookshare members.
>
>I'll try to remember to ask and let you all
know.
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy
>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:32 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting
books--majority of members not blind
>
>
>Really. Interesting. I did know that some members are dyslexic
and perhaps for physical impairments cannot hold books to read but I had
assumed
hat the majority of bookshare members are legally blind. Mayrie, or Carrie, an
you tell us /me how the majority of members qualify?
>Cindy
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:56 AM
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>
>>Hi Sandi,
>>
>>I
know that Bookshare hasn't given up on finding a way to make the
graphics
>>accessible. I'm going to look into whether the images can be
legally
>>described via the Diagram program that Bookshare has in
place.
>>
>>I know that people are not going to be happy with this bit of my
opinion,
>>and some factoids, so get your rotten veggies ready to throw at
me. The
>>parts of the books that are graphics are not accessible to
blind members.
>>And work is being done to figure out how to change
that. However, they are
>>accessible to others with print disabilities,
so they are not completely
>>inaccessible. The majority of Bookshare
members are not blind. So, it
>>doesn't make sense to deprive books to
all that are inaccessible to some.
>>
>>Please don't lose hope that
Bookshare will figure out a way to make these
>>things accessible in some
way. Bookshare knows about the problem.
>>Bookshare wants to make as
much accessible as possible. And we haven't
>>exhausted all
possibilities for this to happen.
>>
>>Don't give up hope yet!
>>
>>Mayrie
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:23 AM
>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject:
[bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>
>>Hi Mary,
>>
>>So can anything be
done to make these charts accessible? If not, there is
>>little point
adding them to the Bookshare collection, which indicates they
>>are
accessible when they are not.
>>
>>Sandi
>>
>>----- Original Message
-----
>>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To:
<bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent:
Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:46 AM
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting
books
>>
>>
>>> Hi Sandi,
>>>
>>> No, the images won't be
accessible. If they were, they'd have been
>>> rendered
>>>
readably in the daisy file in the first place. Sorry!
>>>
>>>
Mayrie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:45
PM
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>
>>> Hi
Mary,
>>>
>>> I can try to get them as Daisy books with images, but
will those images be
>>> readable? The symbols are often x's or *'s,
but sometimes are cute little
>>> icons used to represent a particular
stitch. Ah, the very good old days
>>> when patterns were written
out, not represented in charts!
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> -----
Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:24 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re:
Knitting books
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Sandi,
>>>>
>>>>
What I think happens is that the charts are available in the "daisy
with
>>>> images" books, but not present in the "daisy" or brf books
because they
>>>> are
>>>> graphics of somesort, just not
straight text, which Bookshare's
>>>> conversion
>>>> tools
don't know how to handle. I'd bet the images that you want
are
>>>> present in the "daisy with images" files of books, but aren't
accessible
>>>> because the images aren't straight
text.
>>>>
>>>> Just a guess on my part, as I can't verify that
myself.
>>>>
>>>>
Mayrie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original
Message-----
>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:17
PM
>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>
>>>> Hi
Debby,
>>>>
>>>> Often the charts are mentioned in the patterns
themselves (use Chart X to
>>>> complete pattern rows 9-57, reading the
K rows from left to right and the
>>>> P
>>>> rows from right to
left), something like that--and then no chart is
>>>>
there.
>>>> It may be that Bookshare's software chucks the charts
because they look
>>>> like
>>>> garbage characters, but I don't
know that. I just know it's frustrating
>>>> to
>>>> read
through a pattern, say to myself "Oh, that looks great! Can't
wait
>>>> to
>>>> make it," and then find out I can't because
the charts are missing.
>>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>>
----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:58 PM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss]
Re: Knitting books
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tracy, Jamie and
anyone who has had anything to do with knitting
>>>>>
books!
>>>>>
>>>>> Are the charts missing entirely, or are
they a graphic, which would do
>>>>> those like me with no sight, no
good?
>>>>>
>>>>> Debby
>>>>>
>>>>> At
08:47 AM 2/10/2012, Tracy Carcione wrote
>>>>>>I guess we've
identified an area where our books are better than
PQ--we
>>>>>>take the trouble to put in complicated charts if we
can.
>>>>>>Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Hi
Tracy,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I've noticed some
tables and charts missing in PQ books too. One I
>>>>>>
> downloaded was supposed to have a family tree. It explained how
to
>>>>>> > read
>>>>>> >
the
>>>>>> > tree, but the tree itself wasn't
there.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Sue
S.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
-----Original Message-----
>>>>>> > From: Tracy
Carcione
>>>>>> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:36
AM
>>>>>> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>>>
>
>>>>>> > Hi Jamie.
>>>>>> > Many
blessings on your head for taking all that trouble! I know
how
>>>>>> > hard
>>>>>> > it is to translate
those charts; I've occasionally tortured my sister
>>>>>> >
with
>>>>>> > it.
>>>>>> > Guess I'll have to
look for knitting books submitted by you.
>>>>>> > The PQ
knitting books are full of charts. Or should I say
lacking,
>>>>>> > since
>>>>>> > the charts
aren't actually there at all.
>>>>>> >
Tracy
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Tracy, the books I
have done with knitting charts, I have
>>>>>> >>
painstakingly
>>>>>> >> typed in the graphs with whatever
symbol is in the book (x, o, /
>>>>>> >>
whatever).
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> They are
extremely difficult books to do even when there are only a
>>>>>>
>> few
>>>>>> >> graphs.
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>> >> Jamie in
Michigan
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Currently
Reading: Heads You Lose by Lisa Lutz
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> >> See everything I've read this year
at:
>>>>>> >>
www.michiganrxtech.com/books.html
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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