Because even though the majority are not blind there are still those who are blind and need the descriptions. Also, don't assume that there are always teachers to do the describing. I certainly know that when I was in school I read educational books that were not being used in any of my classrooms and I still often read textbooks on my own.
On 2/12/2012 1:05 AM, Cindy wrote:
Thanks, Mayrie. That's very interesting. But if the kids aren't blind, I wonder why it's so necessary to describe the photos in the textbooks (the Poet project), especially since the teachers, unless they are blind, can descibe them. I don't mind doing them; it's an interesting challenge (describing photos always is, but one tries to convey what one sees as explicitly as possible do as to enable the blind person to "se"in is/her mind's eyeCindy Cindy *From:* Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:12 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind Hi Cindy, The majority of Bookshare members are students in grades k-12. As to their disabilities, I'm not certain, but blindness is one of the lowest percentages of disabilities of Bookshare members. I'll try to remember to ask and let you all know. Mayrie *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Cindy *Sent:* Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:32 PM *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind Really. Interesting. I did know that some members are dyslexic and perhaps for physical impairments cannot hold books to read but I had assumed hat the majority of bookshare members are legally blind. Mayrie, or Carrie, an you tell us /me how the majority of members qualify? Cindy *From:* Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:56 AM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books Hi Sandi, I know that Bookshare hasn't given up on finding a way to make the graphics accessible. I'm going to look into whether the images can be legally described via the Diagram program that Bookshare has in place. I know that people are not going to be happy with this bit of my opinion, and some factoids, so get your rotten veggies ready to throw at me. The parts of the books that are graphics are not accessible to blind members.And work is being done to figure out how to change that. However, they areaccessible to others with print disabilities, so they are not completely inaccessible. The majority of Bookshare members are not blind. So, it doesn't make sense to deprive books to all that are inaccessible to some. Please don't lose hope that Bookshare will figure out a way to make these things accessible in some way. Bookshare knows about the problem. Bookshare wants to make as much accessible as possible. And we haven't exhausted all possibilities for this to happen. Don't give up hope yet! Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:23 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books Hi Mary, So can anything be done to make these charts accessible? If not, there is little point adding them to the Bookshare collection, which indicates they are accessible when they are not. Sandi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:46 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books > Hi Sandi, > > No, the images won't be accessible. If they were, they'd have been > rendered > readably in the daisy file in the first place. Sorry! > > Mayrie > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:45 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books > > Hi Mary, > > I can try to get them as Daisy books with images, but will those images be > readable? The symbols are often x's or *'s, but sometimes are cute little > icons used to represent a particular stitch. Ah, the very good old days > when patterns were written out, not represented in charts! > > Sandi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:24 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books > > >> Hi Sandi, >> >> What I think happens is that the charts are available in the "daisy with >> images" books, but not present in the "daisy" or brf books because they >> are >> graphics of somesort, just not straight text, which Bookshare's >> conversion >> tools don't know how to handle. I'd bet the images that you want are >> present in the "daisy with images" files of books, but aren't accessible >> because the images aren't straight text. >> >> Just a guess on my part, as I can't verify that myself. >> >> Mayrie >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:17 PM >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books >> >> Hi Debby, >> >> Often the charts are mentioned in the patterns themselves (use Chart X to >> complete pattern rows 9-57, reading the K rows from left to right and the >> P >> rows from right to left), something like that--and then no chart is >> there. >> It may be that Bookshare's software chucks the charts because they look >> like >> garbage characters, but I don't know that. I just know it's frustrating >> to >> read through a pattern, say to myself "Oh, that looks great! Can't wait >> to >> make it," and then find out I can't because the charts are missing. >> >> Sandi >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:58 PM >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books >> >> >>> Hi Tracy, Jamie and anyone who has had anything to do with knitting >>> books! >>> >>> Are the charts missing entirely, or are they a graphic, which would do >>> those like me with no sight, no good? >>> >>> Debby >>> >>> At 08:47 AM 2/10/2012, Tracy Carcione wrote >>>>I guess we've identified an area where our books are better than PQ--we >>>>take the trouble to put in complicated charts if we can. >>>>Tracy >>>> >>>> > Hi Tracy, >>>> > >>>> > I've noticed some tables and charts missing in PQ books too. One I >>>> > downloaded was supposed to have a family tree. It explained how to >>>> > read >>>> > the >>>> > tree, but the tree itself wasn't there. >>>> > >>>> > Sue S. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: Tracy Carcione >>>> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:36 AM >>>> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books >>>> > >>>> > Hi Jamie. >>>> > Many blessings on your head for taking all that trouble! I know how >>>> > hard >>>> > it is to translate those charts; I've occasionally tortured my sister >>>> > with >>>> > it. >>>> > Guess I'll have to look for knitting books submitted by you. >>>> > The PQ knitting books are full of charts. Or should I say lacking, >>>> > since >>>> > the charts aren't actually there at all. >>>> > Tracy >>>> > >>>> >> Tracy, the books I have done with knitting charts, I have >>>> >> painstakingly >>>> >> typed in the graphs with whatever symbol is in the book (x, o, / >>>> >> whatever). >>>> >> >>>> >> They are extremely difficult books to do even when there are only a >>>> >> few >>>> >> graphs. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Jamie in Michigan >>>> >> >>>> >> Currently Reading: Heads You Lose by Lisa Lutz >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> See everything I've read this year at: >>>> >> www.michiganrxtech.com/books.html >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >>>> > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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