[bksvol-discuss] Re: Is this is?
- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:46:31 -0600
Hi dave,
<smile> Well, what I meant is that Cindy and I both researched on Google
before coming up with our translations of Pratik's gloomy quote, and that is
how I knew moritori should be morituri!!! He didn't anticipate that we
would take the easy way out! <smile>
Sue
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Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is this is?
Hi Sue,
I'm not sure what you meant about google.
Dave
At 07:07 PM 3/12/2005, you wrote:
>Ah well! There were all these choices and I didn't have Latin. We could
>choose Latin or French and I chose French because it "sounded prettier".
><<sigh> As Cindy pointed out, Dave, you forgot about Google. <smile>
>
>Sue S.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:25 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is this is?
>
>
>Hello all,
>
>I have not yet departed for CSUN. I'm actually planning to get there
>Tuesday afternoon.
>
>1. The "moritori" should, in fact, have been "morituri." My usual sense
of
>"perfection," as Cindy terms it, is marred by my dismal fingers, not being
>able to obey my brain's commands.
>
>2. Latin, unlike English, often gives the word order a secondary
>consideration to sound and meaning. As a result, "morituri te salutamus,"
>"te salutamus morituri," and "salutamus te morituri" have the same exact
>meaning. However the original phrasing, "morituri te salutamus" sounds
much
>more fluid and was used by gladiators. The verb often ends up being at the
>end of the sentence.
>
>3. The correct translation is "we, who are about to die, salute you!"
>Cindy, the phrase you found "morituri te salutant," while grammatically in
>order, has a different meaning. The conjugated form "salutant" implies a
>third person plural subject; and, as the phrase was used by the gladiators
>themselves, it cannot be the correct one. The correct translation for that
>phrase is "they, who are about to die, salute you." There is a second
>reason why that phrase would not have been used. Most of the gladiators
>were slaves and would simply not have refered themselves as "they." I'm
>afraid that particular source did not do his/her homework correctly.
>
>There goes my idea of leaving you something to do so that you don't cause
>trouble. Maybe I should think of something else.
>
>Prat
>
>
>Pratik Patel
>Interim Director
>Office of Special Services
>Queens College
>Director
>CUNY Assistive Technology Services
>The City University of New York
> ppatel@xxxxxx
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy
>Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:12 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is this is?
>
>Sue, I think he made a mistake. I, too, did some
>research. The Las Vegas Gladiators seems to have Te
>Salutimus Morituri! as its motto, and someone names
>starmoth (do you think it's a pseudonym of Prat's) has
>published a list of 13 books about death, Favorite
>Books about Death, and he uses Prat's phrase,
>morituri te salutimus . But what you found is closest.
>What I found was "Morituri te salutant," "we who are
>about to die salute you" used by gladiators to salute
>the Emperor. So not only did Prat give us the wrong
>spelling of morituri (he reckoned with google -- he,
>he,he--), but his, or Las Vegas', syntax is wrong.
>
>The correct phrase would make sense, seeing that's
>he's using it before going off to the wild (even
>without Guido?) csun conference. (grin).
>
>Cindy
>
>-- siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
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> >
> > "To those about to die we salute you."
> >
> > Did you type moritori instead of morituri?
> > Prat's gone so what do you think, Cindy? Kellie?
> > If he didn't trick us
> > with a wrong letter, then I am way off. <lol>
> >
> > Sue S.
> >
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