Kim,I wasn't being critical at all. It wasn't a negative laugh. Quite the contrary. If it makes people laugh, then please don't worry about being more precise in your utterances. A certain amount a precision is great, but you were precise enough while saying it in a way that made at least one person smile. If you become more precise, and then noone smiles, then something is lost.
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Hi, Evan, as a matter of fact, if there was a pun, it certainly was unintentional on my part. Maybe I should have said that two psychopaths in one book was more like gilding the toadstool (in this case, I would say "gilding the lily" would not have served in this instance.). I shouldprobably be much more precise in my language. I promise you I'll try harder in future to be precise in my utterances. Very good call on your part Evan.I'm glad you got a good laugh out of it. Regards, Kim. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of EVAN REESE Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:39 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you. Hey Kim,Two psychopaths in one novel is overkill? Was that an unintensional pun? Itmade me laugh. Thanks. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:00 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.Hi, Gwen, giving book recommendations is tricky at the best of times. If you object to sex and violence in books, you must ask why you find themobjectionable. Do you find the sex in a particular book gratuitous? Do thecharacters act uncaring toward each other? The same goes for violence. Personally, I know people who like James Patterson's books, but I have problems with his work. When I read Along Came a Spider, he had two psychopaths in one novel. To me, that's overkill. Sex and violence are in this world. You can't make babies without sex, and I don't mind reading about a caring relationship where two people are enjoying each other in bed.My problem is with the uncaring and gratuitous way violence and sex can behandled in books. I think if a character is a louse, he or she will be uncaring in his/her relationship with others and this case, I would say this is part of the story and might be deemed necessary. The thing is, Gwen, you are a grown-up and intelligent person. If you download a book and you dislike it for whatever reason, you know you can delete it from wherever youare reading it. There are people writing today who tell a good story. Thatbeing said, opinions will differ on what constitutes a good story. What I'm saying is that there are no hard and fast rules here. You like what you like, and maybe you'll come across a book you never thought you'd ever like. Reading is an adventure, isn't it? You never can tell what you might find to peak your fancy. I read a couple of novels by Dostoyevsky and I'm glad Iread them. That being said, however, I concluded that while I don't regret reading those novels, I couldn't understand his characters for the life ofme. What made them react to their lives in the way they did? I couldn't understand their psychological motivation or their culture. So now you knowsomething about what I think about book recommendations and the use of sexand violence. I hope you weren't scandalized. Regards, Kim. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:27 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you. Once more I am in agreement with Roger. If your sensibilities are that tender it should be up to you to take whatever steps you require to find something you can enjoy. Asking others to cater to you at that level is simply too much. On 9/8/09, Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx <Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:Some time ago I recall Pavi saying that the dictionary that algorithm uses was reviewed and that it was laughable when they saw some of the words that were in it. Supposedly that was corrected, but I very much suspect that I would still consider it laughable. Honestly, I was once telling someone something another person said. I mentioned that the person had said that another person was pissed off. I do not ordinarily use that phrase myself, but since I was relating what someone else said I did that time. I was angrily accused of being obscene. It never even occurred to me in my wildest speculations that anyone would consider that to be obscene and if I had found it in that dictionary of prohibited words and phrases I would have found that laughable. Nevertheless, someone did consider it obscene. That is why I tend to think that the person who is offended by so-called "adult" words has the problem, not the one who utters them. "The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end. " Leon Trotsky The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com PathfinderPress:http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html _ table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you. Date: 9/8/2009 10:48:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end Evan, I've wondered about how that algorithm works too, because of the children's books I've proofed that were erroneously marked as adult by the algorithm. I'd bet part of it is based on Bookshare useing a dictionary of words that can be considered adult (with some contexting built in, I'd guess). The final designation of adult comes about by using a weighting of the number of times words/terms/phrases appear factored against the total number of words in a book. So if you have a children's book with very few words, and one of the 'suspect' words appears, although it could be in a totally innocent context, bam! The children's book is going to get rated as adult. I had that happen a few months ago with a board book I was proofreading! Just guessing here, of course. smile. Judy s. EVAN REESE wrote:What determines adult content is ultimately the proofreader. Bookshare's computer can mark a book either Adult or not, using some secret algorithm that staff refuses to divulge to us, but the proofreader can change the Bookshare computer's choice if he/she feels that a change is justified. 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