[bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:30:05 -0700
Hi, Jackie, I like this idea of a sliding system for rating a book. You are
not censoring it, but you are informing the reader if there is graphic
violence or sex scenes in a book. I like this idea of a guideline in book
synopses. You can write a synopsis and append something like this: "Notice
to the reader: this book contains occasional descriptions of sex, strong
language, violence" etc. So you have a degree of these occurrences from
never, occasional, frequent, etc. By the way, you used an acronym to which I
don't know the meaning of, i.e., BTW. What does this acronym mean? Sorry,
Jackie. But these shorthand acronyms in emails always tend to bewilder me. I
have some of them and can translate them back to English, but this one has
stumped me. Do write me back and tell me what you think of my idea. I do not
know you, but have read many of your messages. I'm sorry for that horrid
experience you had and can see why you wish to have a rating system. In this
instance it gives you a scale which will inform you that you may or may not
be able to deal with or bear what's inside the book you intend to download.
Take care and if you wish to write me back off list, send your email to
kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxxx Best regards, Kim Friedman.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:31 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
Perhaps to put this in a bit of context:
a) I have had books that were *obviously* meant for children marked as adult
lol! but
b) Rather than adult or not, I do wish that bookshare would do what the NLS
does & put stuff like explicit descriptions of sex, violence, strong
language, etc., in the summary. That way, folks who aren't particularly
interested in reading that stuff know what they're getting *b4* they come
across it.
I'll give an example, &, though it's probably a poor 1, may hopefully serve
to illustrate the point.
My daughter was very brutally murdered in 2007. I was deeply affected by the
event, having nightmares for many months in vivid technicolor of the
descriptions I had been given of the scene by the police. I hadn't dreamed
in color for many years, but it certainly let me know I could do that. I
decided as a diversion to proof a book for bookshare.
I downloaded it, & the 1st chapter contained a rather graphic scene of a
native American being tortured. Let's just say I did not fare well (the
understatement of the century) & leave it at that. I'm certain some of the
volunteers on the list at that time remember the incident as a few gave me
some counseling regarding my conflict as a new volunteer between finishing
what I started but feeling unable to continue, which, was, btw, appreciated.
Had I known the book contained graphic violence, I obviously never would
have downloaded it. Perhaps this is extreme, but I do think that we should
have some way of knowing that books we're thinking about contain these
things in case we don't want to read about them, or, in the case of parents,
in case we don't want our children reading them.
So perhaps there should be checkmarks for things like violence, language, &
sex. Just my $02, as opposed to simply being rated adult.
On 9/9/09, Chela Robles <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Gwinn, everyone has different tastes, for instance, I don't like the
> way Kenny G plays his saxophone, circular breathing, that is how
> Rafael Mendez, a trumpeter died, did something to his lungs and
> decreased velocity, I don't like Rick Braun, a trumpeter, his style is
> not my favorite, I like to broaden my horizon when it comes to books,
> but again, if I don't feel comfortable about reading a book say about
> gays and lesbians, for example, then I'd just delete it no harm will
> come to me anyway, it just depends on your preference, like if you
> like only vanilla, to me, I have to have something other than vanilla
> ice cream because it is just blah to me, get what I trying to say
> here? I have to agree with Roger, Cindy, and everyone else here. Don't
> take this personally though, guys, can we stop this discussion, please
> and go on with our lives, because it is ultimately up to the person
> whether they choose what to read or not, end of discussion, thank you!
> Chela Robles jazz trumpeter/enthusiast/almost LMT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gwen tweedy
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:22 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
>
>
> It's not so much uncomfortable as
> lots of those books they have loads of it I have one grown
> daughter, so I'm not as prudish as you might imagine. But when you
> have just pages and pages of discriptions which really add nothing
> to a story I guess I just don't need to read about it and my nieces
> and nephes if they had to be here, don't need to read about it either
> and if it's marked as no adult content, that would say to me that anyone
could read it.
> I don't care what people read but there is plenty of books out there
> I have seen even in here, that doesn't have that stuff and it's
> perfectly enjoyable.
> A person does it in the privacy of their bedrooms I don't care if it
> sales or not for me it doesn't sell. And I as a reader have just as
> much right to read the tamer stuff and can have the right to have
> that choice without worrying if I'm gonna stumble on what I determine
> as sorry but for me personally it is smut.
> For you it's fine reading yea that is good but I should be able to
> go into one of these departments and be free from that if I so choose.
> I pick out what I want at the grocery store so I should be able to
> do the same here. Supposing my niece had been looking over my shoulder
> I didn't know about this particular book and opened it
> sorry but thanks, but no thanks my niece and I shouldn't
> accidentally stumble upon this in trying to find a book.
> I know I'm wierd. I except that.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:43 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
>
>
> Indeed, it is up to the person with tender sensibilities to find
> something they can enjoy rather than ask someone else to cater to
> those sensibilities, but frankly, I don't see how they can do it. I
> have noticed that the most popular topic of small talk wherever you
> go, beating out even the weather, is sex. If I were going to avoid the
> topic of sex I think I would just have to quit reading and having
> conversations. So, not only is it an almost impossible topic to avoid,
> it is also a topic that I can't see how it could make anyone
> uncomfortable. That is like being offended by someone saying that they
> went to the grocery store yesterday. I would think that maintaining
> such an attitude toward sex would be a lot more stressful than actually
being exposed to it if one does have that attitude.
>
>
> "The end may justify the means as long as there is something that
> justifies the end.
> " Leon Trotsky
>
> The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder
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> Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html
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> Once more I am in agreement with Roger. If your sensibilities are
> that tender it should be up to you to take whatever steps you require
> to find something you can enjoy. Asking others to cater to you at
> that level is simply too much.
>
> On 9/8/09, Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx <Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Some time ago I recall Pavi saying that the dictionary that
> algorithm uses
> > was reviewed and that it was laughable when they saw some of the
> words that
> > were in it. Supposedly that was corrected, but I very much
> suspect that I
> > would still consider it laughable. Honestly, I was once telling
> someone
> > something another person said. I mentioned that the person had
> said that
> > another
> > person was pissed off. I do not ordinarily use that phrase
> myself, but since
> > I was relating what someone else said I did that time. I was
> angrily accused
> > of being obscene. It never even occurred to me in my wildest
> speculations
> > that anyone would consider that to be obscene and if I had found
> it in that
> > dictionary of prohibited words and phrases I would have found that
> > laughable.
> > Nevertheless, someone did consider it obscene. That is why I
> tend to think
> > that the person who is offended by so-called "adult" words has
> the problem,
> > not the one who utters them.
> >
> >
> > "The end may justify the means as long as there is something
> that justifies
> > the end.
> > " Leon Trotsky
> >
> > The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder
> Press:
> > http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> > Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html
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> > Date:
> > 9/8/2009 10:48:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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> > cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> >
> > Evan, I've wondered about how that algorithm works too, because
> > of the children's books I've proofed that were erroneously marked
> > as adult by the algorithm. I'd bet part of it is based on
> > Bookshare useing a dictionary of words that can be considered
> > adult (with some contexting built in, I'd guess). The final
> > designation of adult comes about by using a weighting of the
> > number of times words/terms/phrases appear factored against the
> > total number of words in a book. So if you have a children's
> > book with very few words, and one of the 'suspect' words appears,
> > although it could be in a totally innocent context, bam! The
> > children's book is going to get rated as adult. I had that
> > happen a few months ago with a board book I was proofreading!
> >
> > Just guessing here, of course. smile.
> >
> > Judy s.
> >
> > EVAN REESE wrote:
> >> What determines adult content is ultimately the proofreader.
> Bookshare's
> >> computer can mark a book either Adult or not, using some secret
> >> algorithm that staff refuses to divulge to us, but the
> proofreader can
> >> change the Bookshare computer's choice if he/she feels that a
> change is
> >> justified. It used to be either the submitter and/or the
proofreader,
> >> but Bookshare took that choice away from submitters and seems
> to have no
> >> inclination to give it back.
> >
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