Jackie, That actually sounds like a good idea, though just like with the current setup it would probably be a good idea to lock those against the submitter so it wouldn't have helped you as a proof reader. On 9/9/09, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Perhaps to put this in a bit of context: > a) I have had books that were *obviously* meant for children marked as > adult lol! but > b) Rather than adult or not, I do wish that bookshare would do what > the NLS does & put stuff like explicit descriptions of sex, violence, > strong language, etc., in the summary. That way, folks who aren't > particularly interested in reading that stuff know what they're > getting *b4* they come across it. > > I'll give an example, &, though it's probably a poor 1, may hopefully > serve to illustrate the point. > > My daughter was very brutally murdered in 2007. I was deeply affected > by the event, having nightmares for many months in vivid technicolor > of the descriptions I had been given of the scene by the police. I > hadn't dreamed in color for many years, but it certainly let me know I > could do that. I decided as a diversion to proof a book for bookshare. > I downloaded it, & the 1st chapter contained a rather graphic scene of > a native American being tortured. Let's just say I did not fare well > (the understatement of the century) & leave it at that. I'm certain > some of the volunteers on the list at that time remember the incident > as a few gave me some counseling regarding my conflict as a new > volunteer between finishing what I started but feeling unable to > continue, which, was, btw, appreciated. Had I known the book contained > graphic violence, I obviously never would have downloaded it. Perhaps > this is extreme, but I do think that we should have some way of > knowing that books we're thinking about contain these things in case > we don't want to read about them, or, in the case of parents, in case > we don't want our children reading them. > > So perhaps there should be checkmarks for things like violence, > language, & sex. Just my $02, as opposed to simply being rated adult. > > On 9/9/09, Chela Robles <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Gwinn, everyone has different tastes, for instance, I don't like the way >> Kenny G plays his saxophone, circular breathing, that is how Rafael >> Mendez, >> a trumpeter died, did something to his lungs and decreased velocity, I >> don't >> like Rick Braun, a trumpeter, his style is not my favorite, I like to >> broaden my horizon when it comes to books, but again, if I don't feel >> comfortable about reading a book say about gays and lesbians, for example, >> then I'd just delete it no harm will come to me anyway, it just depends on >> your preference, like if you like only vanilla, to me, I have to have >> something other than vanilla ice cream because it is just blah to me, get >> what I trying to say here? I have to agree with Roger, Cindy, and everyone >> else here. Don't take this personally though, guys, can we stop this >> discussion, please and go on with our lives, because it is ultimately up >> to >> the person whether they choose what to read or not, end of discussion, >> thank >> you! >> Chela Robles jazz trumpeter/enthusiast/almost LMT >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: gwen tweedy >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:22 AM >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you. >> >> >> It's not so much uncomfortable as >> lots of those books they have loads of it I have one grown daughter, so >> I'm not as prudish as you might imagine. But when you have just pages >> and >> pages of discriptions which really add nothing to a story I guess I just >> don't need to read about it and my nieces and nephes if they had to be >> here, >> don't need to read about it either and if it's marked as no adult content, >> that would say to me that anyone could read it. >> I don't care what people read but there is plenty of books out there I >> have seen even in here, that doesn't have that stuff and it's perfectly >> enjoyable. >> A person does it in the privacy of their bedrooms I don't care if it >> sales >> or not for me it doesn't sell. And I as a reader have just as much right >> to >> read the tamer stuff and can have the right to have that choice without >> worrying if I'm gonna stumble on what I determine as sorry but for me >> personally it is smut. >> For you it's fine reading yea that is good but I should be able to go >> into >> one of these departments and be free from that if I so choose. >> I pick out what I want at the grocery store so I should be able to do >> the >> same here. Supposing my niece had been looking over my shoulder I didn't >> know about this particular book and opened it >> sorry but thanks, but no thanks my niece and I shouldn't accidentally >> stumble upon this in trying to find a book. >> I know I'm wierd. I except that. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:43 PM >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you. >> >> >> Indeed, it is up to the person with tender sensibilities to find >> something they can enjoy rather than ask someone else to cater to those >> sensibilities, but frankly, I don't see how they can do it. I have noticed >> that the most popular topic of small talk wherever you go, beating out >> even >> the weather, is sex. If I were going to avoid the topic of sex I think I >> would just have to quit reading and having conversations. So, not only is >> it >> an almost impossible topic to avoid, it is also a topic that I can't see >> how >> it could make anyone uncomfortable. That is like being offended by someone >> saying that they went to the grocery store yesterday. I would think that >> maintaining such an attitude toward sex would be a lot more stressful than >> actually being exposed to it if one does have that attitude. >> >> "The >> end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the >> end. >> " Leon Trotsky >> >> The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder >> Press: >> http://www.pathfinderpress.com >> Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html >> _ >> >> table with 2 columns and 6 rows >> Subj: >> [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you. >> Date: >> 9/9/2009 12:27:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time >> From: >> soronel.haetir@xxxxxxxxx >> Reply-to: >> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> To: >> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Sent from the Internet >> (Details) >> table end >> >> Once more I am in agreement with Roger. If your sensibilities are >> that tender it should be up to you to take whatever steps you require >> to find something you can enjoy. Asking others to cater to you at >> that level is simply too much. >> >> On 9/8/09, Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx <Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> > Some time ago I recall Pavi saying that the dictionary that >> algorithm >> uses >> > was reviewed and that it was laughable when they saw some of the >> words >> that >> > were in it. Supposedly that was corrected, but I very much suspect >> that I >> > would still consider it laughable. Honestly, I was once telling >> someone >> > something another person said. I mentioned that the person had said >> that >> > another >> > person was pissed off. I do not ordinarily use that phrase myself, >> but >> since >> > I was relating what someone else said I did that time. I was angrily >> accused >> > of being obscene. It never even occurred to me in my wildest >> speculations >> > that anyone would consider that to be obscene and if I had found it >> in >> that >> > dictionary of prohibited words and phrases I would have found that >> > laughable. >> > Nevertheless, someone did consider it obscene. That is why I tend to >> think >> > that the person who is offended by so-called "adult" words has the >> problem, >> > not the one who utters them. >> > >> > >> > "The end may justify the means as long as there is something that >> justifies >> > the end. >> > " Leon Trotsky >> > >> > The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder >> Press: >> > http://www.pathfinderpress.com >> > Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html >> > _ >> > >> > table with 2 columns and 6 rows >> > Subj: >> > [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you. >> > Date: >> > 9/8/2009 10:48:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time >> > From: >> > cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > Reply-to: >> > bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > To: >> > bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > Sent from the Internet >> > (Details) >> > table end >> > >> > Evan, I've wondered about how that algorithm works too, because >> > of the children's books I've proofed that were erroneously marked >> > as adult by the algorithm. I'd bet part of it is based on >> > Bookshare useing a dictionary of words that can be considered >> > adult (with some contexting built in, I'd guess). The final >> > designation of adult comes about by using a weighting of the >> > number of times words/terms/phrases appear factored against the >> > total number of words in a book. So if you have a children's >> > book with very few words, and one of the 'suspect' words appears, >> > although it could be in a totally innocent context, bam! The >> > children's book is going to get rated as adult. I had that >> > happen a few months ago with a board book I was proofreading! >> > >> > Just guessing here, of course. smile. >> > >> > Judy s. >> > >> > EVAN REESE wrote: >> >> What determines adult content is ultimately the proofreader. >> Bookshare's >> >> computer can mark a book either Adult or not, using some secret >> >> algorithm that staff refuses to divulge to us, but the proofreader >> can >> >> change the Bookshare computer's choice if he/she feels that a >> change >> is >> >> justified. It used to be either the submitter and/or the >> proofreader, >> >> but Bookshare took that choice away from submitters and seems to >> have >> no >> >> inclination to give it back. >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >> > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a >> list of >> > available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject >> line. >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Soronel Haetir >> soronel.haetir@xxxxxxxxx >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a >> list >> of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. >> > > > -- > Change the world--1 deed at a time > Jackie McBride > Check out my homepage at: > www.abletec.serverheaven.net > & please join my fight against breast cancer > <http://teamacs.acsevents.org/site/TR?px=1790196&pg=personal&fr_id=3489> > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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