[bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.

Jackie,

That actually sounds like a good idea, though just like with the
current setup it would probably be a good idea to lock those against
the submitter so it wouldn't have helped you as a proof reader.

On 9/9/09, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Perhaps to put this in a bit of context:
> a) I have had books that were *obviously* meant for children marked as
> adult lol! but
> b) Rather than adult or not, I do wish that bookshare would do what
> the NLS does & put stuff like explicit descriptions of sex, violence,
> strong language, etc., in the summary. That way, folks who aren't
> particularly interested in reading that stuff know what they're
> getting *b4* they come across it.
>
> I'll give an example, &, though it's probably a poor 1, may hopefully
> serve to illustrate the point.
>
> My daughter was very brutally murdered in 2007. I was deeply affected
> by the event, having nightmares for many months in vivid technicolor
> of the descriptions I had been given of the scene by the police. I
> hadn't dreamed in color for many years, but it certainly let me know I
> could do that. I decided as a diversion to proof a book for bookshare.
> I downloaded it, & the 1st chapter contained a rather graphic scene of
> a native American being tortured. Let's just say I did not fare well
> (the understatement of the century) & leave it at that. I'm certain
> some of the volunteers on the list at that time remember the incident
> as a few gave me some counseling regarding my conflict as a new
> volunteer between finishing what I started but feeling unable to
> continue, which, was, btw, appreciated. Had I known the book contained
> graphic violence, I obviously never would have downloaded it. Perhaps
> this is extreme, but I do think that we should have some way of
> knowing that books we're thinking about contain these things in case
> we don't want to read about them, or, in the case of parents, in case
> we don't want our children reading them.
>
> So perhaps there should be checkmarks for things like violence,
> language, & sex. Just my $02, as opposed to simply being rated adult.
>
> On 9/9/09, Chela Robles <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Gwinn, everyone has different tastes, for instance, I don't like the way
>> Kenny G plays his saxophone, circular breathing, that is how Rafael
>> Mendez,
>> a trumpeter died, did something to his lungs and decreased velocity, I
>> don't
>> like Rick Braun, a trumpeter, his style is not my favorite, I like to
>> broaden my horizon when it comes to books, but again, if I don't feel
>> comfortable about reading a book say about gays and lesbians, for example,
>> then I'd just delete it no harm will come to me anyway, it just depends on
>> your preference, like if you like only vanilla, to me, I have to have
>> something other than vanilla ice cream because it is just blah to me, get
>> what I trying to say here? I have to agree with Roger, Cindy, and everyone
>> else here. Don't take this personally though, guys, can we stop this
>> discussion, please and go on with our lives, because it is ultimately up
>> to
>> the person whether they choose what to read or not, end of discussion,
>> thank
>> you!
>> Chela Robles jazz trumpeter/enthusiast/almost LMT
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: gwen tweedy
>>   To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>   Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:22 AM
>>   Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
>>
>>
>>   It's not so much uncomfortable as
>>   lots of those books they have  loads of it I have one grown daughter, so
>> I'm not as prudish as you might imagine.  But when you have  just pages
>> and
>> pages of  discriptions which really add nothing to a story I guess I just
>> don't need to read about it and my nieces and nephes if they had to be
>> here,
>> don't need to read about it either and if it's marked as no adult content,
>> that would say to me that anyone could read it.
>>   I don't care what people read but there is plenty of books out there I
>> have seen even in here, that doesn't have that stuff and it's perfectly
>> enjoyable.
>>   A person does it in the privacy of their bedrooms I don't care if it
>> sales
>> or not for me it doesn't sell. And I as a reader have just as much right
>> to
>> read the tamer stuff and can have  the right to have that choice without
>> worrying if I'm gonna stumble on what I determine as sorry but for me
>> personally it is smut.
>>   For you it's fine reading yea that is good but I should be able to go
>> into
>> one of these departments and be free from that if I so choose.
>>   I pick out what I want at the grocery store so I should be able to do
>> the
>> same here. Supposing my niece had been looking over my shoulder I didn't
>> know about this particular book and opened it
>>   sorry but thanks, but no thanks my niece and I shouldn't accidentally
>> stumble upon this in trying to find a book.
>>   I know I'm wierd. I except that.
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
>>     To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>     Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:43 PM
>>     Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
>>
>>
>>     Indeed, it is up to the person with tender sensibilities to find
>> something they can enjoy rather than ask someone else to cater to those
>> sensibilities, but frankly, I don't see how they can do it. I have noticed
>> that the most popular topic of small talk wherever you go, beating out
>> even
>> the weather, is sex. If I were going to avoid the topic of sex I think I
>> would just have to quit reading and having conversations. So, not only is
>> it
>> an almost impossible topic to avoid, it is also a topic that I can't see
>> how
>> it could make anyone uncomfortable. That is like being offended by someone
>> saying that they went to the grocery store yesterday. I would think that
>> maintaining such an attitude toward sex would be a lot more stressful than
>> actually being exposed to it if one does have that attitude.
>>
>>                                                                      "The
>> end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the
>> end.
>>     " Leon Trotsky
>>
>>                  The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder
>> Press:
>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
>>     Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html
>>                  _
>>
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>>     Date:
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>>     Once more I am in agreement with Roger.  If your sensibilities are
>>     that tender it should be up to you to take whatever steps you require
>>     to find something you can enjoy.  Asking others to cater to you at
>>     that level is simply too much.
>>
>>     On 9/8/09, Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx <Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>     > Some time ago I recall Pavi saying that the dictionary that
>> algorithm
>> uses
>>     > was reviewed and that it was laughable when they saw some of the
>> words
>> that
>>     > were in it. Supposedly that was corrected, but I very much suspect
>> that I
>>     > would still consider it laughable. Honestly, I was once telling
>> someone
>>     > something another person said. I mentioned that the person had said
>> that
>>     > another
>>     > person was pissed off. I do not ordinarily use that phrase myself,
>> but
>> since
>>     > I was relating what someone else said I did that time. I was angrily
>> accused
>>     > of being obscene. It never even occurred to me in my wildest
>> speculations
>>     > that anyone would consider that to be obscene and if I had found it
>> in
>> that
>>     > dictionary of prohibited words and phrases I would have found that
>>     > laughable.
>>     > Nevertheless, someone did consider it obscene. That is why I tend to
>> think
>>     > that the person who is offended by so-called "adult" words has the
>> problem,
>>     > not the one who utters them.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > "The end may justify the means as long as there is something that
>> justifies
>>     > the end.
>>     > " Leon Trotsky
>>     >
>>     >                  The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder
>> Press:
>>     > http://www.pathfinderpress.com
>>     > Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html
>>     >                  _
>>     >
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>>     > [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
>>     > Date:
>>     > 9/8/2009 10:48:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>     > From:
>>     > cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>     > Reply-to:
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>>     >
>>     > Evan, I've wondered about how that algorithm works too, because
>>     > of the children's books I've proofed that were erroneously marked
>>     > as adult by the algorithm.  I'd bet part of it is based on
>>     > Bookshare useing a dictionary of words that can be considered
>>     > adult (with some contexting built in, I'd guess).  The final
>>     > designation of adult comes about by using a weighting of the
>>     > number of times words/terms/phrases appear factored against the
>>     > total number of words in a book.  So if you have a children's
>>     > book with very few words, and one of the 'suspect' words appears,
>>     > although it could be in a totally innocent context, bam! The
>>     > children's book is going to get rated as adult.  I had that
>>     > happen a few months ago with a board book I was proofreading!
>>     >
>>     > Just guessing here, of course. smile.
>>     >
>>     > Judy s.
>>     >
>>     > EVAN REESE wrote:
>>     >> What determines adult content is ultimately the proofreader.
>> Bookshare's
>>     >> computer can mark a book either Adult or not, using some secret
>>     >> algorithm that staff refuses to divulge to us, but the proofreader
>> can
>>     >> change the Bookshare computer's choice if he/she feels that a
>> change
>> is
>>     >> justified. It used to be either the submitter and/or the
>> proofreader,
>>     >> but Bookshare took that choice away from submitters and seems to
>> have
>> no
>>     >> inclination to give it back.
>>     >
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