[bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.

  • From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:47:18 -0500

Gwen,
You do have that choice.  All you have to do, if you are offended by words 
in a book, is delete it, if you mistakenly download it.

Sue S.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: gwen tweedy
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:27 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.


I agree with you Kim on this one
and yes in the King James version they do have this word in there ok I look 
at it this way chase this rabbit with me a bit.
I come up to you and I say this Hi how the blank are you what the blank have 
you been up to it is blankin' hot out here. I could just as easily say how 
are you how are you today what have you been up to it is really hot out 
today.
That doesn't change the plot of these lines at all and if I can read 
something like that other than the other I should have that choice.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kim Friedman
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:36 AM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.


  Hi, Roger, I tend not to like that particular word myself,  but it was 
used in common English speech in the 17th century and in fact, if you come 
across the King James Version of the Bible, that word you used occurs 
throughout 1 and 2 Kings and 1 and 2 Chronicles. I know what you are getting 
at and I think cultures differ on what they might consider obscene. I think 
what have been considered oaths have changed. At some time if you said 
"God's body", that would have been considered an oath. You are right in that 
people will say what they say. Personally, I wouldn't swear by asking God to 
damn somebody or use the name of Jesus if I was particularly upset. I find 
it kind of amusing when I hear of people who are atheists swearing and using 
God's name in their oaths. I think to myself: "Now here are these supposed 
atheists who will tell me that believing in God is irrational because to 
their minds their is no such thing, and yet, they will swear by something 
they claim not to believe in. If they really are atheists, why can't they 
come up with oaths that are at least consistent with their non-beliefs?" God 
knows, I don't claim to be consistent myself, so I guess I'll have to cut 
you some slack here, right? However, I think if you mean what you say and 
don't believe in God at all, I say, try to think of something you can swear 
by, if you must swear by something, that is consistent with your beliefs or 
lack thereof. Regards, Kim.



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  Some time ago I recall Pavi saying that the dictionary that algorithm uses 
was reviewed and that it was laughable when they saw some of the words that 
were in it. Supposedly that was corrected, but I very much suspect that I 
would still consider it laughable. Honestly, I was once telling someone 
something another person said. I mentioned that the person had said that 
another person was pissed off. I do not ordinarily use that phrase myself, 
but since I was relating what someone else said I did that time. I was 
angrily accused of being obscene. It never even occurred to me in my wildest 
speculations that anyone would consider that to be obscene and if I had 
found it in that dictionary of prohibited words and phrases I would have 
found that laughable. Nevertheless, someone did consider it obscene. That is 
why I tend to think that the person who is offended by so-called "adult" 
words has the problem, not the one who utters them.

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  Evan, I've wondered about how that algorithm works too, because
  of the children's books I've proofed that were erroneously marked
  as adult by the algorithm.  I'd bet part of it is based on
  Bookshare useing a dictionary of words that can be considered
  adult (with some contexting built in, I'd guess).  The final
  designation of adult comes about by using a weighting of the
  number of times words/terms/phrases appear factored against the
  total number of words in a book.  So if you have a children's
  book with very few words, and one of the 'suspect' words appears,
  although it could be in a totally innocent context, bam! The
  children's book is going to get rated as adult.  I had that
  happen a few months ago with a board book I was proofreading!

  Just guessing here, of course. smile.

  Judy s.

  EVAN REESE wrote:
  > What determines adult content is ultimately the proofreader. Bookshare's
  > computer can mark a book either Adult or not, using some secret
  > algorithm that staff refuses to divulge to us, but the proofreader can
  > change the Bookshare computer's choice if he/she feels that a change is
  > justified. It used to be either the submitter and/or the proofreader,
  > but Bookshare took that choice away from submitters and seems to have no
  > inclination to give it back.

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