[bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors

I agree-- and restraining one's self from not correctingbad punctuation. goof 
practice for  exercising self control.


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--- On Thu, 3/5/09, EVAN REESE <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: EVAN REESE <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 2:12 PM
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> Hahaha! I always have a
> copy of whatever I'm 
> proofreading, and I would check to see if it was in fact a
> misprint or a 
> scannoe.
>  
> That's one of the most
> painful parts of this 
> proofreading thing, leaving in misprints. Not changing
> wrong information is 
> almost as bad. I recently scanned a biography, and the
> author got a date for an 
> important event that I know is wrong. But the proofreader
> and I have to leave it 
> as it is, knowing it's wrong.
>  
> Evan
>  
> 
>   ----- Original Message
> ----- 
>   From: 
>   Gary 
>   Petraccaro 
>   To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
>   
>   Sent: Thursday,
> March 05, 2009 1:38 
>   PM
>   Subject:
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold 
>   fors
>   
> 
>   The funny thing is that
> I'm afraid the person 
>   re-reading my book will be too serious and undo all the
> work I lovingly put in 
>   to preserve every typo.  <grin>
>    
>   
>     ----- Original Message
> ----- 
>     From: 
>     EVAN 
>     REESE 
>     To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
>     
>     Sent: Wednesday,
> March 04, 2009 8:53 
>     AM
>     Subject:
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold 
>     fors
>     
> If I scan a book without reading through it, for
> whatever 
>     reason, and I put 
> it up there without a hold for, then how do I ensure 
>     that it goes to someone 
> such as yourself rather than someone who is, in 
>     fact, a careless slob. 
> Please answer that question for me if you 
>     can.
> 
> Others have seen it happen, which is one reason I now get
> books 
>     held for me 
> by those people instead of them being just sent up and 
>     passed on, 
> apparently,  without a glance at the 
>     text.
> 
> Evan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tracy 
>     Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: 
>     Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:40 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold 
>     fors
> 
> 
> > Gee, thanks a lot.  I guess those of us who
> don't 
>     ask for and get hold
> > fors are just a bunch of careless slobs?  
>     NOT!!!
> > It's annoying to hunt through the list, and find
> hold for 
>     after hold for,
> > and on books I would really be interested in working 
>     on, too.  But it
> > appears some people have their own pet 
>     proofreaders, and the rest of us
> > are just not 
>     worthy.
> >
> > I agree with the suggestion that the "hold
> for" 
>     should go away for a
> > while.  If not 4 weeks, then how about 
>     8?  I'm sure it would be too
> > difficult for engineering to 
>     manage, but after a while, I'm highly tempted
> > to just take the 
>     darned thing.  I've seen books sitting on the
> queue for
> > quite a 
>     while with a hold for, when all along I would be happy
> to proof
> > 
>     them.  But I forgot; I'm not worthy of such
> special books.
> > 
>     Tracy
> >
> >> The point about contacting the person for whom the
> 
>     book is being held is 
> >> a
> >> good one. Last year, I had 
>     a Hold for up there for three weeks before I
> >> found out about it 
>     because I don't check that list very often unless
> I'm
> >> expecting 
>     something. I did know the book was coming, and had
> asked for it
> >> 
>     to be held for me, but I didn't know exactly when
> it would be submitted. 
>     
> >> I
> >> only learned of it because someone else, not the 
>     submitter, told me I had
> >> a Hold for up 
>     there.
> >>
> >> In general, I use Hold fors quite a lot 
>     because its the only way of
> >> ensuring that a book will actually 
>     be proofread, not just passed through
> >> to the admin queue with 
>     the bear minimum. Even if I read through 
> >> something
> >> 
>     I submit, someone else will always find something I
> missed in their 
>     read
> >> through of the book. Then there are books that I
> scan that 
>     I do not 
> >> choose
> >> to read through. I absolutely want 
>     to ensure that those get at least one
> >> read through before 
>     getting into the collection. Those are scanned to
> >> order though, 
>     so that isn't a problem, and I always contact the
> >> proofreader so 
>     the books get picked up, often within minutes.
> >>
> >> I 
>     also get hold fors from others for the same reason.
> They trust me 
>     to
> >> actually read through the book and make
> corrections. I still 
>     put books up
> >> there without hold fors, but I often feel 
>     uncomfortable just submitting a
> >> book and hoping for the 
>     best.
> >>
> >> So for me and others that I know, the hold for 
>     has become the best kind 
> >> of
> >> quality 
>     assurance.
> >>
> >> But there definitely needs to be good 
>     communication between the submitter
> >> and the proofreader to make 
>     things work efficiently.
> >>
> >> 
>     Evan
> >>
> >>   ----- Original Message 
>     -----
> >>   From: Monica Willyard
> >>   
>     To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>   
>     Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:45 PM
> >>   Subject: 
>     [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold 
>     fors
> >>
> >>
> >>   Hi Mickey. Over time, I 
>     am slowly shifting my point of view on the hold
> >> for issue. It 
>     used to be that less than ten percent of books were
> hold
> >> fors, 
>     and I was content with that level. I still think it has
> value 
>     and
> >> is needed in instances like Marilyn's or when
> someone needs 
>     help with
> >> fixing up recipes, charts, and such. I have seen
> it 
>     abused though, and
> >> I'm beginning to think we're going
> overboard 
>     as a group. I don't mean
> >> that any specific person is doing this. 
>     I think it's more of a group
> >> drift. I was startled Sunday night 
>     when I discovered that the entire
> >> first page of books were hold 
>     fors when I went to look at books. I have
> >> mine set to 50, and I 
>     didn't find one single book on that page that
> >> wasn't being held 
>     for someone. In fact, only 16 books from page 2
> didn't
> >> have 
>     holds. I don't mind it if a person is actively
> working on a 
>     project
> >> or is taking the books to proofread on a
> consistent 
>     basis. I recognized
> >> some of the names like Marilyn's and 
>     understand what's going on with her
> >> holds. After some thought, I 
>     wrote to a few of the people with books
> >> being held for them, and 
>     three of them didn't even know someone had
> >> posted books for 
>     them.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   I don't 
>     have a great solution here. I'll bet we can come up
> with one
> >> 
>     that works well, if not perfectly. I guess I would just
> ask people 
>     to
> >> take a couple of very quick precautions. If a book
> is being 
>     held for you
> >> and you find that you can't handle it, just
> post to 
>     the list. We
> >> understand that life happens and would rather get 
>     the book proofread
> >> than have you tied up in knots because you 
>     can't do it. If you are
> >> someone who submits books with holds on 
>     them, I ask you to consider
> >> doing two things. First, if your 
>     book is going to be held for someone,
> >> please make a point of 
>     writing or calling them to let them know the book
> >> is available 
>     once you submit it. Second, if your book has special
> needs
> >> like 
>     recipes that need to be fixed, please note that in the
> comments.
> >> 
>     That way, if your proofreader can't take on the
> book after some 
>     time,
> >> Carrie could remove the hold with your permission
> and let 
>     another
> >> qualified volunteer work on it. These things would
> keep 
>     communication
> >> flowing for all of us. Maybe that would be enough 
>     to help us get back on
> >> track with each other. What do you 
>     think?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   
>     Monica Willyard
> >>
> >>   "The best way to predict 
>     the future is to create it." -- Peter 
>     Drucker
> >>
> >>
> >> 
>    
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>   
>     From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> 
>     [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of 
>     Mickey
> >>   Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:48 
>     PM
> >>   To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>   
>     Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Hold 
>     fors
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   Hi. I just 
>     went to get a book to validate, but I'm truly
> discouraged.
> >> There 
>     are so many hold for books that I have the definite
> feeling that
> >> 
>     only the ones nobody else wants are available. There
> are some people 
>     who
> >> have 10 and 12 books waiting for 
>     them.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   I'm sorry, 
>     I'm just discouraged. Some of those books have been
> there 
> >> 
>     for
> >> a long time. Maybe if a book has been in the queue
> for two 
>     weeks, the
> >> hold should be removed? Just a thought, and
> probably 
>     a very unpopular
> >> one. 
>     <smile>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   
>     Not trying to be destructive, only trying to get books
> out 
>     there.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   
>     Mickey
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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