[bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
- From: "Gary Petraccaro" <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:51:40 -0500
I remember an old version of a Poul Anderson book I read. Turth for truth, bas
for bears, beat for bat. Probably correct in subsequent and previous editions,
but not in this one.
----- Original Message -----
From: EVAN REESE
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
Hahaha! I always have a copy of whatever I'm proofreading, and I would check
to see if it was in fact a misprint or a scannoe.
That's one of the most painful parts of this proofreading thing, leaving in
misprints. Not changing wrong information is almost as bad. I recently scanned
a biography, and the author got a date for an important event that I know is
wrong. But the proofreader and I have to leave it as it is, knowing it's wrong.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Petraccaro
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:38 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
The funny thing is that I'm afraid the person re-reading my book will be
too serious and undo all the work I lovingly put in to preserve every typo.
<grin>
----- Original Message -----
From: EVAN REESE
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
If I scan a book without reading through it, for whatever reason, and I
put
it up there without a hold for, then how do I ensure that it goes to
someone
such as yourself rather than someone who is, in fact, a careless slob.
Please answer that question for me if you can.
Others have seen it happen, which is one reason I now get books held for
me
by those people instead of them being just sent up and passed on,
apparently, without a glance at the text.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
> Gee, thanks a lot. I guess those of us who don't ask for and get hold
> fors are just a bunch of careless slobs? NOT!!!
> It's annoying to hunt through the list, and find hold for after hold
for,
> and on books I would really be interested in working on, too. But it
> appears some people have their own pet proofreaders, and the rest of us
> are just not worthy.
>
> I agree with the suggestion that the "hold for" should go away for a
> while. If not 4 weeks, then how about 8? I'm sure it would be too
> difficult for engineering to manage, but after a while, I'm highly
tempted
> to just take the darned thing. I've seen books sitting on the queue for
> quite a while with a hold for, when all along I would be happy to proof
> them. But I forgot; I'm not worthy of such special books.
> Tracy
>
>> The point about contacting the person for whom the book is being held
is
>> a
>> good one. Last year, I had a Hold for up there for three weeks before I
>> found out about it because I don't check that list very often unless
I'm
>> expecting something. I did know the book was coming, and had asked for
it
>> to be held for me, but I didn't know exactly when it would be
submitted.
>> I
>> only learned of it because someone else, not the submitter, told me I
had
>> a Hold for up there.
>>
>> In general, I use Hold fors quite a lot because its the only way of
>> ensuring that a book will actually be proofread, not just passed
through
>> to the admin queue with the bear minimum. Even if I read through
>> something
>> I submit, someone else will always find something I missed in their
read
>> through of the book. Then there are books that I scan that I do not
>> choose
>> to read through. I absolutely want to ensure that those get at least
one
>> read through before getting into the collection. Those are scanned to
>> order though, so that isn't a problem, and I always contact the
>> proofreader so the books get picked up, often within minutes.
>>
>> I also get hold fors from others for the same reason. They trust me to
>> actually read through the book and make corrections. I still put books
up
>> there without hold fors, but I often feel uncomfortable just
submitting a
>> book and hoping for the best.
>>
>> So for me and others that I know, the hold for has become the best
kind
>> of
>> quality assurance.
>>
>> But there definitely needs to be good communication between the
submitter
>> and the proofreader to make things work efficiently.
>>
>> Evan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Monica Willyard
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:45 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
>>
>>
>> Hi Mickey. Over time, I am slowly shifting my point of view on the
hold
>> for issue. It used to be that less than ten percent of books were hold
>> fors, and I was content with that level. I still think it has value and
>> is needed in instances like Marilyn's or when someone needs help with
>> fixing up recipes, charts, and such. I have seen it abused though, and
>> I'm beginning to think we're going overboard as a group. I don't mean
>> that any specific person is doing this. I think it's more of a group
>> drift. I was startled Sunday night when I discovered that the entire
>> first page of books were hold fors when I went to look at books. I have
>> mine set to 50, and I didn't find one single book on that page that
>> wasn't being held for someone. In fact, only 16 books from page 2
didn't
>> have holds. I don't mind it if a person is actively working on a
project
>> or is taking the books to proofread on a consistent basis. I recognized
>> some of the names like Marilyn's and understand what's going on with
her
>> holds. After some thought, I wrote to a few of the people with books
>> being held for them, and three of them didn't even know someone had
>> posted books for them.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't have a great solution here. I'll bet we can come up with one
>> that works well, if not perfectly. I guess I would just ask people to
>> take a couple of very quick precautions. If a book is being held for
you
>> and you find that you can't handle it, just post to the list. We
>> understand that life happens and would rather get the book proofread
>> than have you tied up in knots because you can't do it. If you are
>> someone who submits books with holds on them, I ask you to consider
>> doing two things. First, if your book is going to be held for someone,
>> please make a point of writing or calling them to let them know the
book
>> is available once you submit it. Second, if your book has special needs
>> like recipes that need to be fixed, please note that in the comments.
>> That way, if your proofreader can't take on the book after some time,
>> Carrie could remove the hold with your permission and let another
>> qualified volunteer work on it. These things would keep communication
>> flowing for all of us. Maybe that would be enough to help us get back
on
>> track with each other. What do you think?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Monica Willyard
>>
>> "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter
Drucker
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mickey
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:48 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Hold fors
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi. I just went to get a book to validate, but I'm truly discouraged.
>> There are so many hold for books that I have the definite feeling that
>> only the ones nobody else wants are available. There are some people
who
>> have 10 and 12 books waiting for them.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry, I'm just discouraged. Some of those books have been there
>> for
>> a long time. Maybe if a book has been in the queue for two weeks, the
>> hold should be removed? Just a thought, and probably a very unpopular
>> one. <smile>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not trying to be destructive, only trying to get books out there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mickey
>>
>>
>>
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