[bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
- From: "Gary Petraccaro" <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:35:41 -0500
If you know the ins and outs of book-massage, I'll put a hold for you on
whatever I submit. There. How's that. The next up will be a BSO for Hrolf
Kraki's Saga, Poul Anderson.
<grin>
----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy Carcione
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
Gee, thanks a lot. I guess those of us who don't ask for and get hold
fors are just a bunch of careless slobs? NOT!!!
It's annoying to hunt through the list, and find hold for after hold for,
and on books I would really be interested in working on, too. But it
appears some people have their own pet proofreaders, and the rest of us
are just not worthy.
I agree with the suggestion that the "hold for" should go away for a
while. If not 4 weeks, then how about 8? I'm sure it would be too
difficult for engineering to manage, but after a while, I'm highly tempted
to just take the darned thing. I've seen books sitting on the queue for
quite a while with a hold for, when all along I would be happy to proof
them. But I forgot; I'm not worthy of such special books.
Tracy
> The point about contacting the person for whom the book is being held is a
> good one. Last year, I had a Hold for up there for three weeks before I
> found out about it because I don't check that list very often unless I'm
> expecting something. I did know the book was coming, and had asked for it
> to be held for me, but I didn't know exactly when it would be submitted. I
> only learned of it because someone else, not the submitter, told me I had
> a Hold for up there.
>
> In general, I use Hold fors quite a lot because its the only way of
> ensuring that a book will actually be proofread, not just passed through
> to the admin queue with the bear minimum. Even if I read through something
> I submit, someone else will always find something I missed in their read
> through of the book. Then there are books that I scan that I do not choose
> to read through. I absolutely want to ensure that those get at least one
> read through before getting into the collection. Those are scanned to
> order though, so that isn't a problem, and I always contact the
> proofreader so the books get picked up, often within minutes.
>
> I also get hold fors from others for the same reason. They trust me to
> actually read through the book and make corrections. I still put books up
> there without hold fors, but I often feel uncomfortable just submitting a
> book and hoping for the best.
>
> So for me and others that I know, the hold for has become the best kind of
> quality assurance.
>
> But there definitely needs to be good communication between the submitter
> and the proofreader to make things work efficiently.
>
> Evan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Monica Willyard
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:45 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
>
>
> Hi Mickey. Over time, I am slowly shifting my point of view on the hold
> for issue. It used to be that less than ten percent of books were hold
> fors, and I was content with that level. I still think it has value and
> is needed in instances like Marilyn's or when someone needs help with
> fixing up recipes, charts, and such. I have seen it abused though, and
> I'm beginning to think we're going overboard as a group. I don't mean
> that any specific person is doing this. I think it's more of a group
> drift. I was startled Sunday night when I discovered that the entire
> first page of books were hold fors when I went to look at books. I have
> mine set to 50, and I didn't find one single book on that page that
> wasn't being held for someone. In fact, only 16 books from page 2 didn't
> have holds. I don't mind it if a person is actively working on a project
> or is taking the books to proofread on a consistent basis. I recognized
> some of the names like Marilyn's and understand what's going on with her
> holds. After some thought, I wrote to a few of the people with books
> being held for them, and three of them didn't even know someone had
> posted books for them.
>
>
>
> I don't have a great solution here. I'll bet we can come up with one
> that works well, if not perfectly. I guess I would just ask people to
> take a couple of very quick precautions. If a book is being held for you
> and you find that you can't handle it, just post to the list. We
> understand that life happens and would rather get the book proofread
> than have you tied up in knots because you can't do it. If you are
> someone who submits books with holds on them, I ask you to consider
> doing two things. First, if your book is going to be held for someone,
> please make a point of writing or calling them to let them know the book
> is available once you submit it. Second, if your book has special needs
> like recipes that need to be fixed, please note that in the comments.
> That way, if your proofreader can't take on the book after some time,
> Carrie could remove the hold with your permission and let another
> qualified volunteer work on it. These things would keep communication
> flowing for all of us. Maybe that would be enough to help us get back on
> track with each other. What do you think?
>
>
>
>
>
> Monica Willyard
>
> "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
>
>
>
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> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mickey
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:48 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Hold fors
>
>
>
> Hi. I just went to get a book to validate, but I'm truly discouraged.
> There are so many hold for books that I have the definite feeling that
> only the ones nobody else wants are available. There are some people who
> have 10 and 12 books waiting for them.
>
>
>
> I'm sorry, I'm just discouraged. Some of those books have been there for
> a long time. Maybe if a book has been in the queue for two weeks, the
> hold should be removed? Just a thought, and probably a very unpopular
> one. <smile>
>
>
>
> Not trying to be destructive, only trying to get books out there.
>
>
>
> Mickey
>
>
>
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