[bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
- From: "Chris Feist" <ccfeist@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:19:01 -0600
I see Evan's point, I do. And it's a thoroughly valid one. I still feel
that a time limit on holds is perfectly reasonable, however.
That being said, if the concern is a proofreader doing the bare minimum (if
even that much) before submitting a book they supposedly validated, then
should there not be some standards put in place for validaters? If one
individual, either accidentally or deliberately, does a poor job, shouldn't
they be contacted about the situation to find out why? If they need
assistance in learning how to become a better proofreader, that's great. We
are all here to help. However, if they are just lazy "careless slobs" and
looking for an easy way to save money on the Bookshare cost, they aren't
providing a service and are more of a hindrance. Surely that is not
acceptable?
If there's anything I've learned from my occupation, volunteers are always
welcome and appreciated. However, some volunteers I deal with don't'
believe that what they do requires a level of excellence. They believe that
just the act of volunteering, even if the job they do is completely
unsatisfactory, is still worthy of praise and should not be questioned.
That's a real shame. What would not be a shame is having higher standards
then we currently do for proof-read books that are added to the collection.
After all, scans that are considered fair are no longer allowed. The
standard has been raised for scanned material. I feel the same should be
done for the work of validators.
Chris Feist - The one and only!
"Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain."
- Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of EVAN REESE
If I scan a book without reading through it, for whatever reason, and I put
it up there without a hold for, then how do I ensure that it goes to someone
such as yourself rather than someone who is, in fact, a careless slob.
Please answer that question for me if you can.
Others have seen it happen, which is one reason I now get books held for me
by those people instead of them being just sent up and passed on,
apparently, without a glance at the text.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
> Gee, thanks a lot. I guess those of us who don't ask for and get hold
> fors are just a bunch of careless slobs? NOT!!!
> It's annoying to hunt through the list, and find hold for after hold for,
> and on books I would really be interested in working on, too. But it
> appears some people have their own pet proofreaders, and the rest of us
> are just not worthy.
>
> I agree with the suggestion that the "hold for" should go away for a
> while. If not 4 weeks, then how about 8? I'm sure it would be too
> difficult for engineering to manage, but after a while, I'm highly tempted
> to just take the darned thing. I've seen books sitting on the queue for
> quite a while with a hold for, when all along I would be happy to proof
> them. But I forgot; I'm not worthy of such special books.
> Tracy
>
>> The point about contacting the person for whom the book is being held is
>> a
>> good one. Last year, I had a Hold for up there for three weeks before I
>> found out about it because I don't check that list very often unless I'm
>> expecting something. I did know the book was coming, and had asked for it
>> to be held for me, but I didn't know exactly when it would be submitted.
>> I
>> only learned of it because someone else, not the submitter, told me I had
>> a Hold for up there.
>>
>> In general, I use Hold fors quite a lot because its the only way of
>> ensuring that a book will actually be proofread, not just passed through
>> to the admin queue with the bear minimum. Even if I read through
>> something
>> I submit, someone else will always find something I missed in their read
>> through of the book. Then there are books that I scan that I do not
>> choose
>> to read through. I absolutely want to ensure that those get at least one
>> read through before getting into the collection. Those are scanned to
>> order though, so that isn't a problem, and I always contact the
>> proofreader so the books get picked up, often within minutes.
>>
>> I also get hold fors from others for the same reason. They trust me to
>> actually read through the book and make corrections. I still put books up
>> there without hold fors, but I often feel uncomfortable just submitting a
>> book and hoping for the best.
>>
>> So for me and others that I know, the hold for has become the best kind
>> of
>> quality assurance.
>>
>> But there definitely needs to be good communication between the submitter
>> and the proofreader to make things work efficiently.
>>
>> Evan
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