[bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start somewhere
- From: "Julie Morales" <inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:42:27 -0700
Oh, and I forgot to mention, .rtf is Rich Text Format. That's the preferred
format when you submit books because pretty much anyone can access it, so if
you did perfect your copy and left it for someone else to validate, pretty
much anyone could do it as an .rtf file. Take care.
Julie Morales
inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Windows/MSN Messenger (but not email):
mercy0421@xxxxxxxxxxx
Skype: mercy0421
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Brownell" <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start
somewhere
Hi Lissi,
The "print" copy that you are probably referring to is known as DAISY
Digital Talking Book on the site.
HTH,
Jake
----- Original Message -----
From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start
somewhere
>
> Thank you for your answers. Please stay with me as I sort this out.
>
> It occurred to me that a way of seeing the whole picture for myself, would
> be to download the print version of, "Harvest," and compare the errors
I'm
> finding in braille with what Jaws reads from the print. I've been writing
> the page numbers where I find an error, copying the error and writing what
I
> believe is meant to be written on my brailler, so it would be fairly quick
> for me to scroll through the print to make the comparisons.
>
> If the corrections are obvious, do I need a print copy of the book to
prove
> with a scan that my corrections match the text?
>
> Does rtf mean written file?
>
> When I find a book I want to read, it gives me a choice of rtf or brf,
> right? I'm not sure what you mean when you say to download with daisy.
Did
> I get daisy when I joined Book Share? Do I need permission to validate?
> I'm not asking because of compensation. I wouldn't expect credit for
making
> these minor corrections. I'm trying to establish if I can correct any book
> which I think I can improve or need to follow a process. I've found about
> forty details I could repair in the first half of Harvest.
>
> Always turning pages, and asking questions,
>
> Lissi
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Morales" <inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:13 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start
> somewhere
>
>
> > Yes, the print copy would have the same errors. It can be corrected. I
> > can't
> > remember who said it, but as was already written, you'd have to download
> > the
> > DAISY file, open the HTML version and convert that to RTF. Then, it can
be
> > treated as any other validation and submitted as an RTF to replace the
> > entire book, so the print and braille files would be corrected. There
are
> > times when there are translation errors, and only correcting the braille
> > file is sufficient, because the braille file would be the only file
> > replaced, but it sounds like these are scanning errors, and if you were
> > wanting to correct the whole thing, that's what would have to be done.
> > Take
> > care.
> > Julie Morales
> > inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Windows/MSN Messenger (but not email):
> > mercy0421@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Skype: mercy0421
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:58 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start
> > somewhere
> >
> >
> > Dear Julie and everyone,
> >
> > Julie, your explanation of the errors I'm finding sounds logical. For
> > pinya
> > Colata, my copy said pifia colata. If that reflects a scanning error,
> > wouldn't it be the same error in print? All through the book the name
> > O'Day
> > is written O"Day. Is there a way to make the corrections so both print
> > and
> > braille would be corrected. Harvest is an entertaining novel, but I
won't
> > save it. For my own reading, in this case, I'm content to gloss over the
> > mistakes, but I thought correcting them would make the book nicer for
the
> > next readers.
> >
> > I keep asking because I still don't understand whether braille is
> > corrected
> > differently from print or audio, or if corrections to one could fix the
> > others, too.
> >
> > Please tell me more. I'd like to understand the system better. It seems
> > many computer users are almost intuitive about understanding patterns
and
> > commands. I need the obvious to be explained, but I can learn this stuff
> > and
> > know I'll be contributing.
> >
> > I've followed Rose's problems with sympathy. In learning what I know so
> > far
> > I have noticed that things can go so wrong and resist being fixed and,
> > then,
> > some simple little thing or key stroke can almost magically make
> > everything
> > fall in to place and it works.
> >
> > Rose, was that medical book your first scanning project for Book Share?
It
> > sounds so huge and difficult for even the most experienced volunteer.
> >
> > This might not be your approach, but when I make my first attempt, I
will
> > find a short, children's chapter book with few pictures and
> > embellishments.
> > Then, I won't invest much time or have to deal with a big file for my
> > first
> > effort. As a former teacher, I still have lots of books like the one I
> > described.
> >
> > If anyone would like me to send them a, "starter book," I'd be happy to.
I
> > have 2 copies of some books so if you had an established Book Share
> > volunteer to help, they could use the second copy. Unless I specify
> > otherwise, the books I send are free, I pay the postage and you do
> > whatever
> > you like with the book when you finish with it because I won't want it
> > back.
> >
> > Always With Love,
> >
> > Lissi
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julie Morales" <inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:22 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start
> > somewhere
> >
> >
> >> You can correct the braille copy, but these sound like scanning errors,
> >> not
> >> just with the braille file. The dots 2,3,5, I believe you said is what
> >> happened, is also the exclamation mark, and that is a scanner error, so
> >> it
> >> wouldn't be just the braille file affected by this. What I do with
files
> >> like this is just correct as I go for my own purposes and keep the
> >> corrected
> >> file for myself. Take care.
> >> Julie Morales
> >> inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Windows/MSN Messenger (but not email):
> >> mercy0421@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Skype: mercy0421
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:32 AM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start
> >> somewhere
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello Everyone, especially volunteers who use the Braille note with
> >> refreshable braille to read book share books in brf format.
> >>
> >> I sent this post to the book share discuss group and now realize I
> >> should
> >> have sent it to you, the volunteers. I'm sorry for sending it to both
> >> lists,
> >> but maybe it just doubles my chances of getting the advice I need.
Below
> >> is
> >> the post, with a few alterations, I sent to the discuss list.
> >>
> >> - - - - -
> >>
> >> I've listened to jaws read 3 novels from Book Share and if there were
> >> errors, I didn't notice them. After some fizzles and good advice, I've
> >> moved
> >> a brf file to my Braille Note. I'm on page 157 of Tess Gerritsen's,
> >> "Harvest." It was rated excellent, and I've had a wonderful time
> >> reading
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Now comes my question. I'm not disputing the rating and I'm not
> >> criticizing.
> >> I feel so lucky to be reading this book in braille. I agree the
volunteer
> >> did an excellent job with all of the tasks needed to prepare it for
us.
> >>
> >> Occasionally I am noticing small errors. For example, the word, I, at
> >> the
> >> beginning of a quoted phraise, like "I am happy," always appears as
dots
> >> 2
> >> 3
> >> and 5, which translates as the contraction for the word, "to." Other
> >> little
> >> things pop up like missing spaces between words, a word spelled out
which
> >> should be contracted or simple typos as in a word with one cell of
random
> >> dots. In one instance the word, what, is written r h a t, the
> >> contraction
> >> for wh doesn't appear and xx is written between the opening quotation
> >> mark
> >> and the capital sign for the first word. None of these mistakes has
made
> >> it
> >> difficult to understand the story, nor have they posed any problems.
> >> It would be so easy for me to correct these errors since I'm reading
the
> >> book any way. Is there a way of incorporating small corrections in a
book
> >> without starting the process from the beginning and without taking it
off
> >> the list of available books?
> >>
> >> This proof reading comes naturally. It's so easy for me and could tidy
up
> >> the braille for the next readers.
> >>
> >> I haven't done anything official as a volunteer yet. I'm confused by
> >> computers, but with patience can be taught and perform operations I've
> >> learned with consistant success.
> >>
> >> Just wondering if I could or should fine tune this excellent book or
> >> others
> >> like it. If the answer is, yes, then I need to learn how to do it.
> >>
> >> Always With Love,
> >>
> >> Lissi
> >>
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