Hi MayrieI have a question, since it is clear that when listening to books when there is a space between the whole and mixed number it sometimes still says it wrong. In Braille, as you pointed out, there is a hyphon, how many people using Bookshare are seeing what is actual in print? I would think not that many but I may be very wrong, perhaps there are people who enlarge text or something. In either case wouldn't it make the most sense to use the hyphon, then, even though it doesn't follow what is in print?
Thanks Maureen----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:06 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fractions in bookshare files for Braille readers
Hi Everyone,Again, I went to the braille transcription manual. And, in proper literarybraille, fractions are written with a hyphen between the whole number and the fraction. I did not seek out an accurate resource for how to properlyrepresent mixed numbers in literary print. But I do believe that Valerie iscorrect that a space should separate whole numbers from fractions. For me, there is a problem with this. I do want braille readers to see accurate braille. But this is not the accurate expression for printfractions to be represented. So, in our efforts to make sure that kids seeaccurately rendered books, which do we do? Now, before you all jump on me about this, reminding me that I opted to follow braille code with em dashes and elipsis, I will respectfully remind you that the representation of those things in print is optional so what I've chosen to support is not inaccurate in either print or braille. So, I think on this one, I have to say I think this is a personal preference. The braille translator will represent exactly whichever mannerof representing fractions as it is intended to be represented. So, this isjust me, I think I'd recommend that each person follow his or her own beliefs on this one. Because, in this instance, accurate braille representation will result in inaccurate print representation. And the opposite is also true.Now we all know what is accurate in both print and braille, and can choose.I personally am leaning toward using a space rather than a hyphen toseparate fractions from the whole numbers to which they are attached. Thereare more print reading children using bookshare, and I've seen older cookbooks in braille that used the space to separate the whole numbers from thefraction. So, the braille code may have changed at some point. In any case, this is just my personal preference, and I'd appreciate it ifno one would jump on me for having one. I would really love it if we couldexpress fractions accurately for everyone. I just don't see that that canbe done easily. So, each of us needs to choose what we think is best to do.Okay, shutting up now. Just wanted you all to know that the brailletranscription manual, unfortunately, does tell us to use the hyphen betweenwhole numbers and their attached fractions, and that print disagrees. Have a great day, everyone! Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ann Parsons Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:49 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fractions in bookshare files for Braille readers Hi all, No, haven't been reading this thread, but the correct way to write a compound fraction, that's what they're called, folks, is to use a dash toindicate that it is one compound fraction. In braille this is what is done. Since braille is direct reflection of what is done in print, I would bentureto say that 1-1/2 is correct as opposed to 1 1/2. The space is incorrect!In print, the 1/2 part of the fraction is actually printed vertically. Theone is on top, in super script and is linked vertically to the two by aslash, a diagonal line. In order for the fraction, compound or otherwise tocome out right in braille, you must write the numerator, then a slash and then the denominator. Yeah, yeah, yeah, terminology again, but it am correct. If we don't standardize, then braille readers will be all bolixed up. You cannot put in something you think is just easier for you. You have to put in what is right, what is standard and what the book says. I may think that writing a phone number is easier when I write 585-922-3434,but that is *not* how it is done in the sighted world and it is not standardand I can't use it in a Bookshare book. I have to, not should but have towrite (585) 922-3434, not any other format just because I think it is easierfor me. Ann P. Original message:Hi, Kim!I didn't think we were allowed to alter text by inserting hyphens. I personally feel it reads easier with a space between the whole number and fraction and unless mandated, would NEVER take the time to insert hyphens in mixed fractions. So, be forewarned if it is a pet peeve of yours that you will not like my submission after proofreading Bakewise.ValerieOn Jun 20, 2010, at 4:04 AM, Kim Friedman wrote:Hi, Pam I would write 1/2 or 1/4 or 1-1/8. When I see fractions, the slash goes between the numerator and the denominator without spaces. Hope this helps. Regards, Kim Friedman. P.S.: One of my pet peeves is seeing a mixed fraction (such as 1-1/2 being written 1 1/2. K.------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pamela Hoffard Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 6:13 PM To: book listSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Fractions in bookshare files for Braille readersHey all,I'm coming across a bunch of fractions for recipes in the book that I'm proofing. For Braille readers, is the 1 / 2 format better than the symbol 1 over 2 in one individual space (sorry I can't make this symbol in e-mail). 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