[bksvol-discuss] Re: Essays and copyright - Ideas and Beliefs of the Victorians -- need Claire's finding

Thank you very much.
Tracy

> Okay, here's the story.  I sent Jim Fruchterman (who knows quite a bit
> about copyrights) an email several weeks ago, never heard from him, sent
> him another email, and he said 'I already replied to you, I'll send my
> reply again'.  I never got either of his emails (I'm going to report this
> as a bug to IT), so when I saw him today, he printed out his reply which
> was basically 'look in the US Copyright Office and in the Library of
> Congress'.  I checked both places.  The Copyright Office says it has only
> books published from 1978, and your book was published in 1966, so it's
> not in their catalog.  I checked the Library of Congress and found the
> book, but of course they don't mention whether it's copyrighted or not.
> AARRGGHH!  Luckily Jim stopped by when I was staring at the screen, so I
> showed him the Library of Congress entry, and he said to use the publisher
> as the copyright author and the publishing date as the copyright date.
> Whew!  Tough fight but we
>  made it!  Finally an answer!
>
> Carrie
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tracy Carcione <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 6:14:34 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Essays and copyright - Ideas and Beliefs
>  of      the Victorians -- need Claire's finding
>
>
> Carrie,
> Claire,
> or
> any
> other
> Bookshare
> admin
> person,
> What
> was
> the
> upshot
> of
> this?
> Do
> I
> go
> on
> and
> validate
> this
> book,
> or
> reject
> it
> as
> not
> having
> a
> copyright?
> Tracy
>
>
>>
> Claire
> asked
> me
> to
> respond
> to
> this
> thread,
> and
> to
> be
> blunt,
> I
> have
> no
> idea
>>
> what
> to
> say.
> I
> thought
> that
> a
> book
> had
> to
> have
> the
> word
> 'copyright'
> or
>>
> the
> c-circle
> symbol
> to
> be
> copyrighted,
> but
> there
> are
> so
> many
> exceptions,
>>
> it
> boggles
> the
> mind.
> A
> week
> ago,
> someone
> else
> wrote
> about
> a
> copyright
>>
> page
> that
> said
> the
> book
> was
> copyrighted
> in
> full
> accordance
> of
> the
> law,
> but
>>
> the
> page
> neglected
> to
> mention
> a
> copyright
> holder
> or
> date.
> Arrgghhh!
> Does
>>
> having
> an
> ISBN
> automatically
> mean
> the
> book
> is
> copyrighted,
> even
> if
> the
>>
> book
> doesn't
> mention
> the
> copyright?
> I
> don't
> think
> so...
> Let
> me
> see
> if
> I
>>
> can
> get
> the
> Bookshare
> powers
> that
> be
> to
> answer
> both
> these
> questions.
>>
>>
> Sorry
> I
> can't
> be
> of
> more
> help
> right
> now.
> Maybe
> next
> week,
> I
> can!
> Carrie
>>
>>
> -----
> Original
> Message
> ----
>>
> From:
> Tracy
> Carcione
> <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>
> To:
> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
> Sent:
> Friday,
> February
> 1,
> 2008
> 5:41:16
> AM
>>
> Subject:
> [bksvol-discuss]
> Re:
> Essays
> and
> copyright
> -
> Ideas
> and
> Beliefs
> of
>>
>
>
> the
> Victorians
> --
> need
> Claire's
> finding
>>
>>
>>
> Guido,
>>
> I
>>
> concur.
>>
> It
>>
> sort
>>
> of
>>
> looks
>>
> like
>>
> a
>>
> copyright,
>>
> but
>>
> it
>>
> doesn't
>>
> say
>>
> so.
>>
> I
>>
> haven't
>>
> rejected
>>
> it
>>
> yet,
>>
> but
>>
> I
>>
> don't
>>
> yet
>>
> see
>>
> how
>>
> I
>>
> can
>>
> do
>>
> otherwise.
>>
> Lots
>>
> of
>>
> books
>>
> say
>>
> "published
>>
> by
>>
> so-and-so",
>>
> and
>>
> that's
>>
> not
>>
> the
>>
> copyright
>>
> at
>>
> all.
>>
> Tracy
>>
>>>
>>
> This
>>
> is
>>
> a
>>
> toughy,
>>
> and
>>
> may
>>
> require
>>
> visual
>>
> examination
>>
> of
>>
> the
>>
> book
>>
> and/or
>>
> a
>>>
>>
> decision
>>
> by
>>
> Claire.
>>
> I
>>
> suspect
>>
> copyright
>>
> is
>>
> by
>>
> E.
>>
> P.
>>
> Dutton
>>
> in
>>
> 1966
>>
> After
>>>
>>
> all,
>>
> who
>>
> else's
>>
> Rights
>>
> are
>>
> All
>>
> Reserved?
>>>
>>>
>>
> "First
>>
> published
>>
> 1966
>>
> by
>>
> E.
>>
> P.
>>
> Dutton
>>
> &
>>
> Co.,
>>
> Inc.
>>>
>>
> All
>>
> rights
>>
> reserved."
>>>
>>>
>>
> The
>>
> above
>>
> looks
>>
> like
>>
> a
>>
> copyright
>>
> statement
>>
> in
>>
> old-fashioned
>>
> disguise
>>
> to
>>>
>>
> me.
>>>
>>>
>>
> Guido
>>>
>>>
>>
> Guido
>>
> Dante
>>
> Corona
>>>
>>
> IBM
>>
> Research,
>>>
>>
> Human
>>
> Ability
>>
> &
>>
> Accessibility
>>
> Center,
>>
>>
> (HA&AC)
>>>
>>
> Austin
>>
> Tx.
>>>
>>
> Phone:
>>
> 512.
>>
> 838.
>>
> 9735.
>>>
>>
> Email:
>>
> guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>
> Web:
>>
> http://www.ibm.com/able
>>>
>>>
>>
> ".
>>
> .
>>
> .
>>
> Maybe
>>
> it
>>
> was
>>
> only
>>
> those
>>
> who
>>
> were
>>
> most
>>
> certain
>>
> they
>>
> were
>>
> right
>>
> who
>>>
>>
> were
>>
> guaranteed
>>
> to
>>
> be
>>
> wrong.
>>
> And
>>
> that
>>
> maybe,
>>
> just
>>
> maybe,
>>
> those
>>
> who
>>>
>>
> questioned
>>
> the
>>
> most
>>
> were
>>
> in
>>
> the
>>
> end
>>
> those
>>
> who
>>
> came
>>
> closest
>>
> to
>>
> being
>>
> wise."
>>>
>>
> [David
>>
> Poyer,
>>
> The
>>
> Command]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> "Tracy
>>
> Carcione"
>>
> <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>
> Sent
>>
> by:
>>
> bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>
> 01/31/2008
>>
> 09:56
>>
> AM
>>>
>>
> Please
>>
> respond
>>
> to
>>>
>>
> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> To
>>>
>>
> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>
> cc
>>>
>>>
>>
> Subject
>>>
>>
> [bksvol-discuss]
>>
> Essays
>>
> and
>>
> copyright
>>
> -
>>
> Ideas
>>
> and
>>
> Beliefs
>>
> of
>>
> the
>>>
>>
> Victorians
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> Unless
>>
> I
>>
> am
>>
> advised
>>
> otherwise,
>>
> tomorrow
>>
> I
>>
> will
>>
> reject
>>
> "Ideas
>>
> and
>>
> Beliefs
>>>
>>
> of
>>
> the
>>
> Victorians"
>>
> for
>>
> lack
>>
> of
>>
> copyright.
>>
> I
>>
> will
>>
> paste
>>
> the
>>
> most
>>
> pertinent
>>>
>>
> info
>>
> from
>>
> the
>>
> title
>>
> page
>>
> at
>>
> the
>>
> end
>>
> of
>>
> this
>>
> message,
>>
> but
>>
> none
>>
> of
>>
> it
>>
> says
>>>
>>
> anything
>>
> about
>>
> copyright.
>>
> It's
>>
> a
>>
> collection
>>
> of
>>
> essays,
>>
> many
>>
> of
>>
> which
>>
> are
>>>
>>
> quite
>>
> old,
>>
> but
>>
> I
>>
> still
>>
> think
>>
> the
>>
> book
>>
> needs
>>
> a
>>
> copyright.
>>
> Right?
>>>
>>
> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> This
>>
> paperback
>>
> edition
>>
> of
>>>
>>
> "IDEAS
>>
> AND
>>
> BELIEFS
>>
> OF
>>
> THE
>>
> VICTORIANS"
>>>
>>
> First
>>
> published
>>
> 1966
>>
> by
>>
> E.
>>
> P.
>>
> Dutton
>>
> &
>>
> Co.,
>>
> Inc.
>>>
>>
> All
>>
> rights
>>
> reserved.
>>
> Printed
>>
> in
>>
> the
>>
> U.S.A.
>>>
>>>
>>
> Reprinted
>>
> by
>>
> special
>>
> arrangement
>>
> with
>>
> the
>>
> British
>>>
>>
> Broadcasting
>>
> Corporation
>>
> and
>>
> the
>>
> individual
>>
> contributors.
>>>
>>>
>>
> Published
>>
> simultaneously
>>
> in
>>
> Canada
>>
> by
>>
> Clarke,
>>>
>>
> Irwin
>>
> and
>>
> Company
>>
> Limited,
>>
> Toronto
>>
> and
>>
> Vancouver.
>>>
>>>
>>
> IDEAS
>>
> AND
>>
> BELIEFS
>>
> OF
>>
> THE
>>
> VICTORIANS
>>
> was
>>
> first
>>
> published
>>
> in
>>
> 1949.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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