[bksvol-discuss] Re: Essays and copyright - Ideas and Beliefs of the Victorians -- need Claire's finding

Okay, here's the story.  I sent Jim Fruchterman (who knows quite a bit about 
copyrights) an email several weeks ago, never heard from him, sent him another 
email, and he said 'I already replied to you, I'll send my reply again'.  I 
never got either of his emails (I'm going to report this as a bug to IT), so 
when I saw him today, he printed out his reply which was basically 'look in the 
US Copyright Office and in the Library of Congress'.  I checked both places.  
The Copyright Office says it has only books published from 1978, and your book 
was published in 1966, so it's not in their catalog.  I checked the Library of 
Congress and found the book, but of course they don't mention whether it's 
copyrighted or not. AARRGGHH!  Luckily Jim stopped by when I was staring at the 
screen, so I showed him the Library of Congress entry, and he said to use the 
publisher as the copyright author and the publishing date as the copyright 
date. Whew!  Tough fight but we
 made it!  Finally an answer!

Carrie

----- Original Message ----
From: Tracy Carcione <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 6:14:34 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Essays and copyright - Ideas and Beliefs      of  
    the Victorians -- need Claire's finding


Carrie, 
Claire, 
or 
any 
other 
Bookshare 
admin 
person,
What 
was 
the 
upshot 
of 
this?  
Do 
I 
go 
on 
and 
validate 
this 
book, 
or 
reject
it 
as 
not 
having 
a 
copyright?
Tracy


> 
Claire 
asked 
me 
to 
respond 
to 
this 
thread, 
and 
to 
be 
blunt, 
I 
have 
no 
idea
> 
what 
to 
say.  
I 
thought 
that 
a 
book 
had 
to 
have 
the 
word 
'copyright' 
or
> 
the 
c-circle 
symbol 
to 
be 
copyrighted, 
but 
there 
are 
so 
many 
exceptions,
> 
it 
boggles 
the 
mind.  
A 
week 
ago, 
someone 
else 
wrote 
about 
a 
copyright
> 
page 
that 
said 
the 
book 
was 
copyrighted 
in 
full 
accordance 
of 
the 
law, 
but
> 
the 
page 
neglected 
to 
mention 
a 
copyright 
holder 
or 
date. 
Arrgghhh!  
Does
> 
having 
an 
ISBN 
automatically 
mean 
the 
book 
is 
copyrighted, 
even 
if 
the
> 
book 
doesn't 
mention 
the 
copyright?  
I 
don't 
think 
so...  
Let 
me 
see 
if 
I
> 
can 
get 
the 
Bookshare 
powers 
that 
be 
to 
answer 
both 
these 
questions.
>
> 
Sorry 
I 
can't 
be 
of 
more 
help 
right 
now.  
Maybe 
next 
week, 
I 
can! 
Carrie
>
> 
----- 
Original 
Message 
----
> 
From: 
Tracy 
Carcione 
<carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
> 
To: 
bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
Sent: 
Friday, 
February 
1, 
2008 
5:41:16 
AM
> 
Subject: 
[bksvol-discuss] 
Re: 
Essays 
and 
copyright 
- 
Ideas 
and 
Beliefs 
of
>  
  
 
the 
Victorians 
-- 
need 
Claire's 
finding
>
>
> 
Guido,
> 
I
> 
concur.
> 
It
> 
sort
> 
of
> 
looks
> 
like
> 
a
> 
copyright,
> 
but
> 
it
> 
doesn't
> 
say
> 
so.
> 
I
> 
haven't
> 
rejected
> 
it
> 
yet,
> 
but
> 
I
> 
don't
> 
yet
> 
see
> 
how
> 
I
> 
can
> 
do
> 
otherwise.
> 
Lots
> 
of
> 
books
> 
say
> 
"published
> 
by
> 
so-and-so",
> 
and
> 
that's
> 
not
> 
the
> 
copyright
> 
at
> 
all.
> 
Tracy
>
>>
> 
This
> 
is
> 
a
> 
toughy,
> 
and
> 
may
> 
require
> 
visual
> 
examination
> 
of
> 
the
> 
book
> 
and/or
> 
a
>>
> 
decision
> 
by
> 
Claire.
> 
I
> 
suspect
> 
copyright
> 
is
> 
by
> 
E.
> 
P.
> 
Dutton
> 
in
> 
1966
> 
After
>>
> 
all,
> 
who
> 
else's
> 
Rights
> 
are
> 
All
> 
Reserved?
>>
>>
> 
"First
> 
published
> 
1966
> 
by
> 
E.
> 
P.
> 
Dutton
> 
&
> 
Co.,
> 
Inc.
>>
> 
All
> 
rights
> 
reserved."
>>
>>
> 
The
> 
above
> 
looks
> 
like
> 
a
> 
copyright
> 
statement
> 
in
> 
old-fashioned
> 
disguise
> 
to
>>
> 
me.
>>
>>
> 
Guido
>>
>>
> 
Guido
> 
Dante
> 
Corona
>>
> 
IBM
> 
Research,
>>
> 
Human
> 
Ability
> 
&
> 
Accessibility
> 
Center,
>
> 
(HA&AC)
>>
> 
Austin
> 
Tx.
>>
> 
Phone:
> 
512.
> 
838.
> 
9735.
>>
> 
Email:
> 
guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
> 
Web:
> 
http://www.ibm.com/able
>>
>>
> 
".
> 
.
> 
.
> 
Maybe
> 
it
> 
was
> 
only
> 
those
> 
who
> 
were
> 
most
> 
certain
> 
they
> 
were
> 
right
> 
who
>>
> 
were
> 
guaranteed
> 
to
> 
be
> 
wrong.
> 
And
> 
that
> 
maybe,
> 
just
> 
maybe,
> 
those
> 
who
>>
> 
questioned
> 
the
> 
most
> 
were
> 
in
> 
the
> 
end
> 
those
> 
who
> 
came
> 
closest
> 
to
> 
being
> 
wise."
>>
> 
[David
> 
Poyer,
> 
The
> 
Command]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
"Tracy
> 
Carcione"
> 
<carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>
> 
Sent
> 
by:
> 
bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
> 
01/31/2008
> 
09:56
> 
AM
>>
> 
Please
> 
respond
> 
to
>>
> 
bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
> 
To
>>
> 
bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
> 
cc
>>
>>
> 
Subject
>>
> 
[bksvol-discuss]
> 
Essays
> 
and
> 
copyright
> 
-
> 
Ideas
> 
and
> 
Beliefs
> 
of
> 
the
>>
> 
Victorians
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
Unless
> 
I
> 
am
> 
advised
> 
otherwise,
> 
tomorrow
> 
I
> 
will
> 
reject
> 
"Ideas
> 
and
> 
Beliefs
>>
> 
of
> 
the
> 
Victorians"
> 
for
> 
lack
> 
of
> 
copyright.
> 
I
> 
will
> 
paste
> 
the
> 
most
> 
pertinent
>>
> 
info
> 
from
> 
the
> 
title
> 
page
> 
at
> 
the
> 
end
> 
of
> 
this
> 
message,
> 
but
> 
none
> 
of
> 
it
> 
says
>>
> 
anything
> 
about
> 
copyright.
> 
It's
> 
a
> 
collection
> 
of
> 
essays,
> 
many
> 
of
> 
which
> 
are
>>
> 
quite
> 
old,
> 
but
> 
I
> 
still
> 
think
> 
the
> 
book
> 
needs
> 
a
> 
copyright.
> 
Right?
>>
> 
Tracy
>>
>>
>>
> 
This
> 
paperback
> 
edition
> 
of
>>
> 
"IDEAS
> 
AND
> 
BELIEFS
> 
OF
> 
THE
> 
VICTORIANS"
>>
> 
First
> 
published
> 
1966
> 
by
> 
E.
> 
P.
> 
Dutton
> 
&
> 
Co.,
> 
Inc.
>>
> 
All
> 
rights
> 
reserved.
> 
Printed
> 
in
> 
the
> 
U.S.A.
>>
>>
> 
Reprinted
> 
by
> 
special
> 
arrangement
> 
with
> 
the
> 
British
>>
> 
Broadcasting
> 
Corporation
> 
and
> 
the
> 
individual
> 
contributors.
>>
>>
> 
Published
> 
simultaneously
> 
in
> 
Canada
> 
by
> 
Clarke,
>>
> 
Irwin
> 
and
> 
Company
> 
Limited,
> 
Toronto
> 
and
> 
Vancouver.
>>
>>
> 
IDEAS
> 
AND
> 
BELIEFS
> 
OF
> 
THE
> 
VICTORIANS
> 
was
> 
first
> 
published
> 
in
> 
1949.
>>
>>
>>
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