[bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses

Monitoing and Occassionally, huh, lol monitoring and occasionally, smiles! No way am I going to add those two to our list thanks but no thanks! LOL grins!

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Rains" <scottr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses


Monitoing: Yes
Feedback":Occassionally
Useful Practical Advice: In moderation -I learning as I go

Scott Rains
Benetech Fellow, Bookshare Volunteer Department
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of siss52 [siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:51 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses

Hi Scott,

Sounds exciting!  It is great to see you are still monitoring our list and
giving us feedback.  (smile)

Sue S.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Rains" <scottr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:02 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses


Jill,

The manual is in revision. It remains to be determined how much detail will
end up in the manual.

Over the next three months staff will be partnering with volunteers to
create entirely new resources while updated existing ones. You may have seen
reference to a Bookshare Glossary project and research into "best answers"
from years past on the discussion lists. Ellipses, British punctuation,
nested tables, and various other recurring mysteries are part of what we
plan to address through these and other projects.


Scott Rains
Benetech Fellow, Bookshare Volunteer Department
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
[jillocon@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:32 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses

I wonder what the braille transcriber's manual would have done in the book I
am proofing where there is a quotation mark before the elipsis; leaving a
space before the first elipsis would really look strange. I apologize for
bringing this up again but I do think for the sake of new scanners and
proofreaders that the manual should clarify.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mayrie ReNae<mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:58 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses

Hi Bob and everyone,

I have just looked at my copy of the braille transcription manual. It has a
copyright date of 1994, so may have changed since.  However, it does state
that spaces should appear both before and after an elipsis, except when the
elipsis is followed by a punctuation mark, which should follow the elipsis
without a space.

This formatting was not the case when I learned braille, and I apologize if
my previous understanding of what was correct and up-to-date has misled
anyone.

The formatting of a space, three periods without spaces, and another space
does not seem to make Bookshare's braille translator barf. Thank goodness!

Again, I'm sorry that my early learning of braille and my passing on of that
obviously outdated knowledge has inconvenienced anyone.

Mayrie



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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob W
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:45 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses

I know we've had this discussion before, but I don't remember the outcome.
It's really up to the Braille  users since it effects them more.

Without further direction, I would put spaces on both sides of the elipsis.

Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: EVAN REESE<mailto:mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:39 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses

I think it would look a bit strange if you were to put a space after the
ellipsis but not before it. So if you're not going to put a space in front,
you shouldn't put one after it either.

Evan

----- Original Message -----
From: Lori Castner<mailto:loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:12 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Ellipses

I know this topic has come up many times, but I'm confused again.
In the latest issue of the Volunteer Manual it states not to place a space
before the first dot and to remove all spaces between the three dots, but it does not state what to do after the third dot if the ellipsis occurs in the
middle of a sentence as it often does.
Ellipses are frequently used in mid-sentence in dialog, and I want to be
sure to handle them correctly.

Thanks.
Lori C.


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