[bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:59:50 -0700
Hi Lori!
That was an awesome and concise summarization! Thank you!
Mayrie
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:44 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses
Scott, as I raised the question I'll try to summarize the responses.
When forming an ellipsis in text, I had been told to use three periods with
no spaces between them ... for example. I had also been told sometime ago
via this list that if an ellipsis occured in the middle of a sentence, I
should put a space on either side of it ... for example.
However, recently I was checking on something else in the volunteer manual
and found the instruction to not put a space before an ellipsis even when it
occurs in the middle of a sentence. My question was then should I put a
space after an ellipsis in the middle of a sentence or not?
The responses basically said that I should not put spaces between the three
dots, and if I did not put a space before the first dot in the middle of a
sentence I should not put a space after the last dot.
However, the consensus seemed to be that for conversion to braille an
ellipsis in the middle of a sentence should have a space before it and after
it, but no spaces in between. (but how would that work for a print user
reading a book from Bookshare?) People agreed that if the ellipsis occurred
at the end of the sentence, there should not be a space before the ellipsis
or between the last dot in the ellipsis and the period.
A discussion also arose about using an extended ansi character for an
ellipsis.
People also wanted more guidance in the manual.
I think I got everything.
Thanks.
Lori C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Rains" <scottr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:08 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses
> Hi all,
>
> I'm tracking the volume but haven't dug into the content of this thread
> yet. It will be a couple hours before I am able to do so.
>
> If someone would be so kind as to author - and label - a
> "what-we-have-discovered-to-date" summary post on ellipses in about 1 hour
> it would be a help to me.
>
> Thanks
>
> Scott Rains
> Bookshare Volunteer Coordinator, Interim
> ________________________________________
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob W
> [rwiley45@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:50 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses
>
> If it translates right it should look like this: ? extended ansi character
> 8230.
>
> However, when I read it with JAWS jaws says nothing. If this were a major
> problem for me, I would make jaws say elipsis by way of the dictionary.
> You could do the same thing for most braille displays. Notetakers might be
> a different proposition.
>
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jill O'Connell<mailto:jillocon@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:23 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses
>
> If you know what the symbol is I would be happy to try this as I have a
> braille display. I too had Kurzweil recognize this once and say elipsis
> instead of dot, dot, dot.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Melissa Smith<mailto:mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 4:37 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses
>
> Just wondering if the Braille conversion tool would recognize an ellipses
> as such if we used the actual symbol for an ellipses instead of the 3
> periods together. I've noticed that my screen reader will sometimes say
> ellipses and sometimes just say dot dot dot. I'm thinking that if the
> Braille conversion tool would recognize the actual ellipses, it would be
> displayed correctly in Braille and print and work for everybody. Perhaps
> this is something that needs to be checked with engineering to know for
> sure.
>
> Melissa Smith
>
> On 5/27/2010 12:12 AM, Susan wrote:
> Hi Jill,
> Â
> The question is, how do we format books to be the most correct for
> everyone? I know this sounds opinionated, and I'm sorry, but I'm not sure
> this is always possible to achieve in one book. For example, if we format
> correctly for braille, (such as in the ellipses we've been discussing
> forever), perhaps a dyslexic reader is not getting his or her needs (which
> are just as important) met? What is the answer, I wish I knew. Thanks for
> letting me vint everyone! Are you feeling any differently about working
> with us, Scott? Sure do hope not.
> Â
> Susan, The Questioning Proofer
>
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