[bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
- From: "Ixchel, Jackie" <starsandhearts2@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 08:23:45 -0400
Hi,
I am in full agreement with you but maybe just putting the brackets
would be fine. I'm not sure, sometimes they look the same as
parenthesis.
Jackie
On 3/20/12, Kathy Hester <kathyruthh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> All the Begin and End footnote references I've seen occur before the notes
> at the end of the page and after they all conclude--not after each one.
> That little addition is nice for all of us who don't use hard copy or a
> Braille note device--who read with their computer, for instance. However,
> if it is really that much trouble to do, it only takes a couple of seconds
> to realize what's going on and get back into the main text.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:08 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
> References
>
>
>> Hi Evan et al,
>>
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Is it really expected that we should write "footnote" and "end footnote"
>>> at
>>> the beginning and end of every one? I don't understand the reasoning
>>> behind
>>> that. Is it really that hard for people to tell when one of those begins
>>> and
>>> ends? They are usually preceded by an asterisk, or two asterisks if it is
>>> the second of two, or a number, as in the book I'm just finishing
>>> scanning,
>>> which has a lot of them. More often than not, they interrupt a sentence,
>>> which should also be a clue. Also, since they are usually at the bottom
>>> of
>>> the page, it shouldn't be very difficult to tell when a footnote is over,
>>> since there is nothing after it on the page.
>>
>>
>> <smiling> This reasoning only works if you are dealing with hard copy
>> pages. In an electronic file, viewed, for example on a BrailleNote, the
>> physical end of a page may be indicated by a symbol in the text, but is
>> not as obvious as it is on a hard copy page. I remember that in hard copy
>>
>> Braille, there is usually a line of dashes across the page to indicate
>> that a footnote is present. Having a [begin footnote] and [end footnote]
>> makes sense in the context of electronic files, IMO.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>>> Evan
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Cc: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:38 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
>>> References
>>
>>
>>>> Hi Rik,
>>
>>>> Please, please don't move text from one page to another unless it is to
>>>> join
>>>> a broken word between two pages to the page on which it begins. And
>>>> please
>>>> don't move footnote citations from one page to another when preparing
>>>> books
>>>> for Bookshare. This is an altering of the text that we don't permit.
>>
>>>> Also, your handling of footnotes by labeling them is absolutely fine and
>>>> preferred. You should, however, please, include that text in brackets
>>>> like
>>>> this:
>>
>>>> [Footnote: Hop On Pop by Dr. Seuss
>>>> End footnote]
>>
>>>> And finally, to give the best results for all readers please handle
>>>> inserting footnote numbers by placing them in brackets [] and
>>>> surrounding
>>>> those by spaces. Though this is not traditional, it has been stated as
>>>> the
>>>> way that works best for braille readers of Bookshare books who don't
>>>> have
>>>> access to superscripted numbers, and sighted readers using the same
>>>> books.
>>
>>>> Thanks for all of your intense attention to detail! You folks with the
>>>> patience to tackle this kind of stuff are marvelous! I have to want to
>>>> read
>>>> a book so badly that I can taste it before I'll willingly attempt
>>>> processing
>>>> this stuff.
>>
>>>> Rock on everyone! We truly do have a devoted, conscientious, and just
>>>> plain
>>>> wonderful group of volunteers! We really value all of you!
>>
>>>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>> ohio1803@xxxxx
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
>>>> To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
>>
>>>> Hello Kane,
>>
>>>> Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense,
>>>> isn't
>>>> it.
>>
>>>> I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff
>>>> automatically.
>>>> Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood it
>>>> might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something that
>>>> might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be a
>>>> Bookshare
>>>> member who is reading this type of content and want the citation, then
>>>> that
>>>> is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements.
>>
>>>> My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think.
>>>> I'm not exactly sure, officially.
>>
>>>> I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes
>>>> and
>>>> citations on the same page.
>>>> Two ways.
>>
>>>> In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter or
>>>> section in which they are.
>>>> But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number with
>>>> the
>>>> text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
>>>> Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the
>>>> content
>>>> and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is also
>>>> something
>>>> you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do this type
>>>> of
>>>> thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without omission or
>>>> errors.
>>
>>>> In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just
>>>> make
>>>> sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If you have
>>>> a
>>>> number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is a citation
>>>> for
>>>> it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe I should. So
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> did not know about that.
>>
>>>> But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is in
>>>> the
>>>> manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For example,
>>>> [footnote
>>>> #
>>>> 1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this is
>>>> wrong, and I should never do it again.
>>
>>>> But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading
>>>> that
>>>> this is the citation to the above content.
>>>> (The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not
>>>> altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another
>>>> reader
>>>> .
>>
>>>> Also...
>>
>>>> In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page
>>>> ends
>>>> in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a
>>>> sentence
>>>> from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page, or
>>>> vice
>>>> versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest on the next
>>>> page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in Bookshare books I
>>>> download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of thought on a
>>>> broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just have to be
>>>> paying
>>>> enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken sentence and
>>>> go
>>>> find the rest of it.
>>
>>>> Sorry I got sort of long.
>>>> But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
>>
>>>> Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need to
>>>> know
>>>> they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not want to fool
>>>> with
>>>> all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much citations is a
>>>> better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this permanent
>>>> collection
>>>> for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I often skip all
>>>> that stuff, too.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Thanks
>>
>>>> Rik James
>>
>>>> *******************************************************
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>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>> ohio1803@xxxxx
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
>>>> To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
>>
>>>> Hello Kane,
>>
>>>> Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense,
>>>> isn't
>>>> it.
>>
>>>> I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff
>>>> automatically.
>>>> Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood it
>>>> might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something that
>>>> might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be a
>>>> Bookshare
>>>> member who is reading this type of content and want the citation, then
>>>> that
>>>> is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements.
>>
>>>> My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think.
>>>> I'm not exactly sure, officially.
>>
>>>> I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes
>>>> and
>>>> citations on the same page.
>>>> Two ways.
>>
>>>> In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter or
>>>> section in which they are.
>>>> But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number with
>>>> the
>>>> text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
>>>> Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the
>>>> content
>>>> and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is also
>>>> something
>>>> you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do this type
>>>> of
>>>> thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without omission or
>>>> errors.
>>
>>>> In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just
>>>> make
>>>> sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If you have
>>>> a
>>>> number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is a citation
>>>> for
>>>> it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe I should. So
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> did not know about that.
>>
>>>> But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is in
>>>> the
>>>> manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For example,
>>>> [footnote
>>>> #
>>>> 1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this is
>>>> wrong, and I should never do it again.
>>
>>>> But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading
>>>> that
>>>> this is the citation to the above content.
>>>> (The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not
>>>> altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another
>>>> reader
>>>> .
>>
>>>> Also...
>>
>>>> In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page
>>>> ends
>>>> in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a
>>>> sentence
>>>> from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page, or
>>>> vice
>>>> versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest on the next
>>>> page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in Bookshare books I
>>>> download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of thought on a
>>>> broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just have to be
>>>> paying
>>>> enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken sentence and
>>>> go
>>>> find the rest of it.
>>
>>>> Sorry I got sort of long.
>>>> But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
>>
>>>> Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need to
>>>> know
>>>> they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not want to fool
>>>> with
>>>> all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much citations is a
>>>> better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this permanent
>>>> collection
>>>> for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I often skip all
>>>> that stuff, too.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Thanks
>>
>>>> Rik James
>>
>>>> *******************************************************
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