Hmmm, it looks as though it says square brackets, but the example is in parentheses. Actually, there's an opening paren in the example, but not a closing one.
Evan----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I'm pasting below the sections from the manual.Where does it say to put brackets around the footnote numbers. I remember that people said that should be the way it could be done, but this is still the current manual and this version says to use parentheses. So do we follow would people would like or what the manual says? And the manual says to put brackets around footnotes at the bottom of the page. Where does it say to put "Begin footnote" and "end footnote" for each footnote?I love being a volunteer and proofreading books, but I'm constantly frustrated when I have attempted to follow the manual precisely and then learn it is incorrect, but it has not been changed in this wiki. Or if it has been changed, I don't see where!Lori C. 1) Footnotes a. Don't delete them. b. Enclose a footnote in square brackets.c. For multiple footnotes that occur on one page, group them togetherat the bottom of the page.Then enclose the entire group of footnotes within one setof square brackets.(For an example, follow the link below to the detail page.)2) Superscripts and Subscriptsa. If footnote numbers or footnote letters are superscripted orsubscripted, leave them that way.b. The same holds true if footnote numbers or footnote lettersare not superscripted or subscripted: leave them as they are.c. Put parentheses around each footnote number or footnote letter. Also, if not already there, add a space between the footnotenumber or footnote letter and the word before it. In the body of the text, change this: Unemployment rose in the middle of this decade1. to this: Unemployment rose in the middle of this decade (1). In the footnote itself, change this: 1Applies to the years 2006-2008. to this: (1) Applies to the years 2006-2008. 4.8 C. Footnotes, Superscripts and Subscripts, and Sidebars Go back to: 4. Proofreading a Book 1) Footnotes: Don't delete them 2) Superscripts: Retain them where possible 3) Sidebars: Where to place them on the page 1) Footnotes: Don't delete them Please enclose each footnote in square brackets. 2) Superscripts: Retain them where possible a. Retain superscripts where possible.b. In cases where the OCR software has pushed superscripts up onto the lineabove where theyshould be, please drop superscripts into the text line where they shouldoccur. This can be done through a "global drop".c. Also, be on the lookout for when the OCR has omitted superscripts entirely.----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:56 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote ReferencesHi Evan, What I suggested is what is in the manual and is what has been agreed was preferred.That said, I agree with you about the "end footnote" bit. But I was in theminority when folks said how they most felt their books would be best understood. That's all I know. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Reese Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:41 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote ReferencesIs it really expected that we should write "footnote" and "end footnote" at the beginning and end of every one? I don't understand the reasoning behind that. Is it really that hard for people to tell when one of those begins andends? They are usually preceded by an asterisk, or two asterisks if it isthe second of two, or a number, as in the book I'm just finishing scanning,which has a lot of them. More often than not, they interrupt a sentence,which should also be a clue. Also, since they are usually at the bottom ofthe page, it shouldn't be very difficult to tell when a footnote is over, since there is nothing after it on the page. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> To: <k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:38 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote ReferencesHi Rik, Please, please don't move text from one page to another unless it is to join a broken word between two pages to the page on which it begins. And please don't move footnote citations from one page to another when preparing books for Bookshare. This is an altering of the text that we don't permit. Also, your handling of footnotes by labeling them is absolutely fine and preferred. You should, however, please, include that text in brackets like this: [Footnote: Hop On Pop by Dr. Seuss End footnote] And finally, to give the best results for all readers please handle inserting footnote numbers by placing them in brackets [] and surrounding those by spaces. Though this is not traditional, it has been stated as the way that works best for braille readers of Bookshare books who don't have access to superscripted numbers, and sighted readers using the same books. Thanks for all of your intense attention to detail! You folks with the patience to tackle this kind of stuff are marvelous! I have to want to read a book so badly that I can taste it before I'll willingly attempt processing this stuff. Rock on everyone! We truly do have a devoted, conscientious, and just plain wonderful group of volunteers! We really value all of you! Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ohio1803@xxxxx Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References Hello Kane, Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense, isn't it.I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff automatically.Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood it might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something that might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be a Bookshare member who is reading this type of content and want the citation, then that is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements. My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think. I'm not exactly sure, officially. I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes and citations on the same page. Two ways. In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter or section in which they are. But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number with the text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct. Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the content and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is also something you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do this type of thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without omission or errors. In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just make sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If you have a number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is a citation for it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe I should. So I did not know about that. But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is in the manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For example, [footnote # 1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this is wrong, and I should never do it again. But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading that this is the citation to the above content. (The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another reader . Also...In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page endsin a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a sentence from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page, or vice versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest on the next page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in Bookshare books I download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of thought on a broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just have to be paying enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken sentence and go find the rest of it. Sorry I got sort of long. But I hope that helps and makes some sense. Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need to know they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not want to fool with all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much citations is a better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this permanent collection for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I often skip all that stuff, too. Thanks Rik James ******************************************************* To find out how to unsubscribe, please visit: http://www.kurzweiledu.com/support_listserv_signup.asp -----Original Message----- From: k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ohio1803@xxxxx Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References Hello Kane, Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense, isn't it.I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff automatically.Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood it might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something that might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be a Bookshare member who is reading this type of content and want the citation, then that is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements. My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think. I'm not exactly sure, officially. I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes and citations on the same page. Two ways. In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter or section in which they are. But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number with the text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct. Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the content and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is also something you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do this type of thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without omission or errors. In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just make sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If you have a number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is a citation for it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe I should. So I did not know about that. But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is in the manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For example, [footnote # 1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this is wrong, and I should never do it again. But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading that this is the citation to the above content. (The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another reader . Also...In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page endsin a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a sentence from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page, or vice versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest on the next page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in Bookshare books I download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of thought on a broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just have to be paying enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken sentence and go find the rest of it. Sorry I got sort of long. But I hope that helps and makes some sense. Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need to know they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not want to fool with all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much citations is a better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this permanent collection for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I often skip all that stuff, too. 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