[bksvol-discuss] Re: Downloading fair-rated books

Hi, Robin. I always download the BRF copy of the books and it's not 
advisable to work with that format if you plan to resubmit, so I haven't 
done that, but there are a few books, if ever I can, that I'd like to 
rescan. I think the few I've made note of, or at least more of them than 
not, are actually rated excellent, but as I've said, there were missing 
words, sometimes quite a few of them, and that just irritated me! <smile> I 
guess I can handle a few, but when it happens on every page or every other 
page and on most of the lines on that page, that's just too much. Take care.
Julie Morales
Life is a gift from God. What we do with it is our gift to Him.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin Mandell" <robinmandell@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Downloading fair-rated books


I have actually corrected and resubmitted a few books that were rated good,
or even excellent...in which there were scanning errors, and improperly
inserted page breaks.

At 10:20 PM 13/05/2006, you wrote:
>Hi, Jill. Most of the time, I don't download them, either, unless it's one
>I really want to read, but even then, I have to want to read it really
>badly and have no other option for getting the book. Sometimes, I'm
>pleasantly surprised and it's really not that bad, but there have been a
>few times when books have slipped through the cracks and were rated better
>than they should have been. Those are the ones that really frustrate me.
>If something is rated fair and I choose to download it, anyway, at least I
>can be prepared for what I might have to deal with, but really, I can't
>blame any kind of automated tool for these books slipping through the
>cracks. Some of the ones I've read recently had half a line or more
>totally missing, but what was there was complete and did make sense, so no
>automated tool would have picked up on that. Take care.
>Julie Morales
>Life is a gift from God. What we do with it is our gift to Him.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx>Jill O'Connell
>To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 6:08 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting page numbers and chapter headings
>
>I can't help wondering how many of us even download books marked fair or
>even good; I know I don't.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:donnafsmith@xxxxxxxxxxx>Donna Smith
>To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:32 AM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting page numbers and chapter headings
>
>Hi Evan and others following this thread.
>
>I apologize for being the one to open this particular can of worms.  Every
>time we've had this discussion on the list, it has brought up these same
>issues.  There is no official requirement for this from BookShare.  The
>goal is still to get as many books as possible in the collection following
>the absolute guidelines regarding copyright laws as amended, and the
>concern of quality is next in line with the understanding that it is
>possible to rate books as fair, good or excellent.
>
>However, many of us who do the work have our own standards of quality for
>our submissions and so we've come up with tips for how to get the best
>quality possible.  These standards, and they vary from volunteer to
>volunteer, are not required by anyone.  It's just a self-imposed standard.
>
>Personally, when I submit a book, I try to do as much clean-up as possible
>so that the validator has an easy job.  Actually, I try to submit the book
>in a form I'd not mind reading.  I knew from previous discussions on this
>list that the BS software has little quirks that we can accommodate by
>creating a particular format, though I had forgotten what that was
>specifically.  I choose to follow this pattern of blank line, page number,
>blank line, text, or, false header, blank line, chapter heading, blank
>line text, because it will produce a better end result for all formats,
>but there is no requirement to do so.  Volunteers can do as much as they
>are comfortable with doing both as submitters and validators, and the
>addition to the collection is appreciated by all.
>
>Hope this helps to explain it all a bit.  Keep on scanning and keep up the
>good work!
>
>Peace and Hope,
>
>Donna
>
>
>----------
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Reese
>Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:17 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting page numbers and chapter headings
>
>Ok, now I'm more confused than ever.  If I strip the headings manually,
>then why does the stripper need something to strip.  If I don't strip
>them, then I need to make them consistent so the stripper can strip them
>correctly?  But if I do strip them, then I need to put a fake one at the
>beginning of each chapter so the chapter heading doesn't get stripped?  Do
>I have this all correct?  Wouldn't it be a lot simpler just to not strip
>anything?  Aren't we supposed - ideally anyhow - to be replicating the
>original book, in which there is in fact a heading at the top of each
>page, except on those which begin a chapter.  This makes a lot of extra
>work and complexity and a reduction of quality for those who can't keep
>straight all the persnickety demands of the Bookshare software, or who
>don't have the time to go through and fix everything just right so that
>other readers can have a decent reading experience.  I would say, just
>drop the whole stripping thing and make life simpler for everyone and then
>we won't have these quality problems.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>Gerald Hovas
>To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:18 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting page numbers and chapter headings
>
>Donna,
>
>Yes, put a blank line before and after the page number when the page
>number is in the header as well as a blank line at the bottom of the
>page.  I'm not sure if the blank line is necessary between the page number
>and the text, but I can say that putting one after the header does work
>well.  If you leave the blank lines at the top and bottom of the pages
>off, then some odd things will happen to the page numbers when the HTML
>file is created.  The page numbers end up as part of a paragraph instead
>of on a separate line.
>
>Example of how the page should look...
>
>[Page Break]
>
>95
>
>.
>.
>.
>text
>.
>.
>.
>
>[Page Break]
>
>Yes, put a blank line between the chapter heading and the first line of
>text.  Again, I don't know that this is necessary, but it does work well,
>and some people have said that it is necessary.
>
>3. Yes, you need to give the Stripper something to strip other than the
>chapter heading or the chapter heading will be stripped.  The easiest
>thing to do when page numbers are normally at the top of pages except on
>pages where a chapter begins is to move the page number from the bottom of
>the page to the top.  If page numbers are always at the bottom of the
>page, then place a false header above the chapter heading.  Using the
>title works well, and it won't look as odd if the Stripper fails to strip
>it for some odd reason.  It helps to strip all of the real headers
>manually since its easier to strip them yourself than to insure that they
>are consistent so that the Stripper will remove them all, but if you do
>leave them in, then just follow the pattern of the headers and put
>whatever header would normally appear on the top of that page above the
>chapter heading.
>
>Examples of how pages should look...
>
>[Page Break]
>
>95
>
>Chapter Seven
>
>.
>.
>.
>text
>.
>.
>.
>
>[Page Break]
>
>[Page Break]
>
>The Firm
>
>Chapter Seven
>
>.
>.
>.
>text
>.
>.
>.
>
>95
>
>[Page Break]
>
>Or if the page would normally contain the author's name instead of the
>title...
>
>[Page Break]
>
>John Grisham
>
>Chapter Seven
>
>.
>.
>.
>text
>.
>.
>.
>
>[Page Break]
>
>I can't say that these are the only ways to do it, but I've had excellent
>results with these approaches.
>
>HTH
>
>Gerald
>
>
>----------
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Smith
>Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:41 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Protecting page numbers and chapter headings
>
>Hi all.
>
>I hesitate to ask this question, but I can't find the answer on any of the
>official or unofficial sites giving tips to scanners.
>
>Did we ever determine absolutely what should be done to protect page
>numbers and chapter headings?  What I want to know is:
>
>At the top of each page, do I need to put a blank line before and/or after
>the page number?
>For chapter numbers/titles that appear at the top of the page, do I put a
>blank line before and/or after it?
>Is it necessary to have something at the top of the page for the BookShare
>stripper to strip?
>
>I spend a good bit of time cleaning up each scan regarding page numbers,
>chapter headings and stripping out unwanted headers.  I'm trying to do it
>in such a way that it will result in the best book in the finished product.
>
>I really, really hope that an answer has been found to this question and
>that I'm not opening up the can of worms we've had before about the
>different perceptions of what might work.  <smile>
>
>Thanks.
>
>Peace and Hope,
>
>Donna
>
>
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