Hi, Robin. I always download the BRF copy of the books and it's not advisable to work with that format if you plan to resubmit, so I haven't done that, but there are a few books, if ever I can, that I'd like to rescan. I think the few I've made note of, or at least more of them than not, are actually rated excellent, but as I've said, there were missing words, sometimes quite a few of them, and that just irritated me! <smile> I guess I can handle a few, but when it happens on every page or every other page and on most of the lines on that page, that's just too much. Take care. Julie Morales Life is a gift from God. What we do with it is our gift to Him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Mandell" <robinmandell@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Downloading fair-rated books I have actually corrected and resubmitted a few books that were rated good, or even excellent...in which there were scanning errors, and improperly inserted page breaks. At 10:20 PM 13/05/2006, you wrote: >Hi, Jill. Most of the time, I don't download them, either, unless it's one >I really want to read, but even then, I have to want to read it really >badly and have no other option for getting the book. Sometimes, I'm >pleasantly surprised and it's really not that bad, but there have been a >few times when books have slipped through the cracks and were rated better >than they should have been. Those are the ones that really frustrate me. >If something is rated fair and I choose to download it, anyway, at least I >can be prepared for what I might have to deal with, but really, I can't >blame any kind of automated tool for these books slipping through the >cracks. Some of the ones I've read recently had half a line or more >totally missing, but what was there was complete and did make sense, so no >automated tool would have picked up on that. Take care. >Julie Morales >Life is a gift from God. What we do with it is our gift to Him. >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx>Jill O'Connell >To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 6:08 PM >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting page numbers and chapter headings > >I can't help wondering how many of us even download books marked fair or >even good; I know I don't. >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:donnafsmith@xxxxxxxxxxx>Donna Smith >To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:32 AM >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting page numbers and chapter headings > >Hi Evan and others following this thread. > >I apologize for being the one to open this particular can of worms. Every >time we've had this discussion on the list, it has brought up these same >issues. There is no official requirement for this from BookShare. The >goal is still to get as many books as possible in the collection following >the absolute guidelines regarding copyright laws as amended, and the >concern of quality is next in line with the understanding that it is >possible to rate books as fair, good or excellent. > >However, many of us who do the work have our own standards of quality for >our submissions and so we've come up with tips for how to get the best >quality possible. These standards, and they vary from volunteer to >volunteer, are not required by anyone. It's just a self-imposed standard. > >Personally, when I submit a book, I try to do as much clean-up as possible >so that the validator has an easy job. Actually, I try to submit the book >in a form I'd not mind reading. I knew from previous discussions on this >list that the BS software has little quirks that we can accommodate by >creating a particular format, though I had forgotten what that was >specifically. I choose to follow this pattern of blank line, page number, >blank line, text, or, false header, blank line, chapter heading, blank >line text, because it will produce a better end result for all formats, >but there is no requirement to do so. Volunteers can do as much as they >are comfortable with doing both as submitters and validators, and the >addition to the collection is appreciated by all. > >Hope this helps to explain it all a bit. Keep on scanning and keep up the >good work! > >Peace and Hope, > >Donna > > >---------- >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Reese >Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:17 AM >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting page numbers and chapter headings > >Ok, now I'm more confused than ever. If I strip the headings manually, >then why does the stripper need something to strip. If I don't strip >them, then I need to make them consistent so the stripper can strip them >correctly? But if I do strip them, then I need to put a fake one at the >beginning of each chapter so the chapter heading doesn't get stripped? Do >I have this all correct? Wouldn't it be a lot simpler just to not strip >anything? Aren't we supposed - ideally anyhow - to be replicating the >original book, in which there is in fact a heading at the top of each >page, except on those which begin a chapter. This makes a lot of extra >work and complexity and a reduction of quality for those who can't keep >straight all the persnickety demands of the Bookshare software, or who >don't have the time to go through and fix everything just right so that >other readers can have a decent reading experience. I would say, just >drop the whole stripping thing and make life simpler for everyone and then >we won't have these quality problems. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>Gerald Hovas >To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:18 PM >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting page numbers and chapter headings > >Donna, > >Yes, put a blank line before and after the page number when the page >number is in the header as well as a blank line at the bottom of the >page. I'm not sure if the blank line is necessary between the page number >and the text, but I can say that putting one after the header does work >well. If you leave the blank lines at the top and bottom of the pages >off, then some odd things will happen to the page numbers when the HTML >file is created. The page numbers end up as part of a paragraph instead >of on a separate line. > >Example of how the page should look... > >[Page Break] > >95 > >. >. >. >text >. >. >. > >[Page Break] > >Yes, put a blank line between the chapter heading and the first line of >text. Again, I don't know that this is necessary, but it does work well, >and some people have said that it is necessary. > >3. Yes, you need to give the Stripper something to strip other than the >chapter heading or the chapter heading will be stripped. The easiest >thing to do when page numbers are normally at the top of pages except on >pages where a chapter begins is to move the page number from the bottom of >the page to the top. If page numbers are always at the bottom of the >page, then place a false header above the chapter heading. Using the >title works well, and it won't look as odd if the Stripper fails to strip >it for some odd reason. It helps to strip all of the real headers >manually since its easier to strip them yourself than to insure that they >are consistent so that the Stripper will remove them all, but if you do >leave them in, then just follow the pattern of the headers and put >whatever header would normally appear on the top of that page above the >chapter heading. > >Examples of how pages should look... > >[Page Break] > >95 > >Chapter Seven > >. >. >. >text >. >. >. > >[Page Break] > >[Page Break] > >The Firm > >Chapter Seven > >. >. >. >text >. >. >. > >95 > >[Page Break] > >Or if the page would normally contain the author's name instead of the >title... > >[Page Break] > >John Grisham > >Chapter Seven > >. >. >. >text >. >. >. > >[Page Break] > >I can't say that these are the only ways to do it, but I've had excellent >results with these approaches. > >HTH > >Gerald > > >---------- >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Smith >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:41 PM >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Protecting page numbers and chapter headings > >Hi all. > >I hesitate to ask this question, but I can't find the answer on any of the >official or unofficial sites giving tips to scanners. > >Did we ever determine absolutely what should be done to protect page >numbers and chapter headings? What I want to know is: > >At the top of each page, do I need to put a blank line before and/or after >the page number? >For chapter numbers/titles that appear at the top of the page, do I put a >blank line before and/or after it? >Is it necessary to have something at the top of the page for the BookShare >stripper to strip? > >I spend a good bit of time cleaning up each scan regarding page numbers, >chapter headings and stripping out unwanted headers. I'm trying to do it >in such a way that it will result in the best book in the finished product. > >I really, really hope that an answer has been found to this question and >that I'm not opening up the can of worms we've had before about the >different perceptions of what might work. <smile> > >Thanks. > >Peace and Hope, > >Donna > > >---------- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.