[bksvol-discuss] Re: Credit Suggestion

  • From: Debby Franson <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:18:26 -0500

Hi Jill!

OpenBook doesn't say blank when just sitting back and reading the way it does with a press of the down arrow while in edit mode either, so it's not just Kurzweil that acts like that.

Debby

At 04:05 PM 5/9/2010, Jill O'Connell wrote
The problem I ran into with the "little sound" for paragraph markers is that if one is proofing by downarrowing, that feature doesn't work. Also I have found that even though I have Kurzweil set to recognize blank pages, it does not recognize blank lines unless I am using the down arrow. Do other Kurzweil users find this to be the case. I am using version 11. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Credit Suggestion


I tend to proof with speech, because even though I have a braile note,
it doesn't work with the book in kurzweil which really helps with
proofing.  I'm too slow when reading braille besides.

If you are really used to a synthesizer you can tell what the
punctuation is like even without all punctuation turned on.  I don't
think it is as easy to proof with speech when using some of the newer
real concatenated speech engines.  I have only learned to proof with
eloquence and keynote.
I also check for the few small things that might not be obvious with
speech.  Spaces around dashes for instance.  I usually search for junk
characters and quotes with spaces around them at the same time I fix
em-dash and ellipsis issues.  Most improper punctuation is immediately
obvious, and I think I actually catch small errors in words much better
with speech than do proof readers that do it by sight.  I'm sure you've
heard about the little weirdness of people's brains that make them see
the correct word if the beginning and end of it are alright. :-)  From
the junk I notice in things my synthesizer reads to me, I know very well
that it is true that sight isn't always better for proofreading.  I know
braille readers can catch things just as well, though.
 I turn on a feature of kurzweil that makes a little tiny sound when
there is a new paragraph character, so I know if improper or missing
newlines are an issue in the book.

Sarah Van Oosterwijck

http://curiousnetentity.com


On 5/7/2010 6:06 PM, Andromache wrote:
Yes, the symbols for the fractions do not show up well at all on a
display. Neither do bullets.

Andromache

P.S. How do those with no Braille display do proofing? Set the screen
reader to all punctuation? I prefer Braille, because I like tactile
feedback and much prefer to see words than to be read to. Also helps
to keep my spelling skills sharp. But I find that all punctuation is a
very distracting way to read.

On 5/7/2010 5:35 AM, Debby Franson wrote:
Hi Jill and everyone!

Whenever I have submitted a cookbook, I have made sure all fractions
are correct.  I have wondered how accurate other Bookshare cookbooks
were until joining this list when I have found that many volunteers
take care to correct the scanos, since fractions are usually horrible
for OCR to get right.

The first cookbook I downloaded years ago was "The I Hate to Cook"
cookbook.  The fractions were not written as 1/2 and 1/4 but the
higher ASCII characters for those fractions, so, unless I was left'
or right-arrowing over those fractions, Window-Eyes ignored them
entirely, so I hope that people always use the 1/2 and 1/4 form of
the fractions so they are read rather than ignored by synthetic
speech..  I suspect those higher ASCII characters don't show up well
on a braille display either.  Am I right?  Here they are to test:

¼ ½

Debby

At 09:46 PM 5/6/2010, Jill O'Connell wrote
I hope you sent your suggestion to the volunteer coordinator where
it might possibly do some good. It is really disappointing to
download a recipe book and find it virtually unreadable.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>Melissa Smith
To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:03 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Credit Suggestion

If only the outsourcers did as fine a job as many of the scanners
and proofers on this list. I don't know how many books I've read,
that were done by the outsourcers, that were poorly done. I do make
quality reports when warranted. Not to mention the fact that, I was
told a few months ago by Bookshare staff, that the outsourcers
wouldn't be working on any more cookbooks.


Melissa Smith
On 5/6/2010 5:31 PM, Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote:
One idea is to let the more complicated books be handled by
staff/outsourcers.

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