[bksvol-discuss] Re: Credit Suggestion

I never proof by using down arrow, because it is too hard on my wrists. I'm curious how that is more useful then using read all. When you use read all the cursor is always on the word last spoken before you stopped reading, which saves you from having to find the messed up spot within the line just spoken. I'm not trying to be critical, I really am just wondering what advantage you find in that method which I have not found. Do you maybe use a laptop so you don't have the insert/0 on the numpad? I know f5 is pretty inconvenient to press all the time for starting and stopping continuous reading.


If you press end you can see if the line ends with a space or a newline character. That is what I do if I have stopped continuous reading and need to know if the line breaks only come at the end of a sentence, or if they obviously shouldn't be there.

I also noticed the problem you describe with Kurzweil not indicating whether there are 1 or 2 newline characters with the little sound. Kurzweil 12 does blip twice for two newline characters. I went from 10 to 12, so until this message I didn't know when that change had been implemented. It's really too bad that wasn't fixed earlier. There was also something in your message about pages. As far as I remember blank pages always did cause either an announcement of blank page or two little squawky sounds in a row.

Kurzweil 12, or probably the newer scanning engines included in it, have a habit of creating excessive white space that must be removed in order to keep your sanity while editing. I'm sure it is just trying to be accurate about the number of perceived blank lines between text in the book, but it isn't what we are used to. Fortunately it doesn't put in extra lines within paragraphs. I'm working on learning the regular expression that will get rid of any more than two newlines in a row.

Sarah Van Oosterwijck

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On 5/9/2010 4:05 PM, Jill O'Connell wrote:
The problem I ran into with the "little sound" for paragraph markers is that if one is proofing by downarrowing, that feature doesn't work. Also I have found that even though I have Kurzweil set to recognize blank pages, it does not recognize blank lines unless I am using the down arrow. Do other Kurzweil users find this to be the case. I am using version 11. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I tend to proof with speech, because even though I have a braile note,
it doesn't work with the book in kurzweil which really helps with
proofing.  I'm too slow when reading braille besides.

If you are really used to a synthesizer you can tell what the
punctuation is like even without all punctuation turned on.  I don't
think it is as easy to proof with speech when using some of the newer
real concatenated speech engines.  I have only learned to proof with
eloquence and keynote.
I also check for the few small things that might not be obvious with
speech.  Spaces around dashes for instance.  I usually search for junk
characters and quotes with spaces around them at the same time I fix
em-dash and ellipsis issues.  Most improper punctuation is immediately
obvious, and I think I actually catch small errors in words much better
with speech than do proof readers that do it by sight.  I'm sure you've
heard about the little weirdness of people's brains that make them see
the correct word if the beginning and end of it are alright. :-)  From
the junk I notice in things my synthesizer reads to me, I know very well
that it is true that sight isn't always better for proofreading.  I know
braille readers can catch things just as well, though.
 I turn on a feature of kurzweil that makes a little tiny sound when
there is a new paragraph character, so I know if improper or missing
newlines are an issue in the book.

Sarah Van Oosterwijck

http://curiousnetentity.com


On 5/7/2010 6:06 PM, Andromache wrote:
Yes, the symbols for the fractions do not show up well at all on a
display. Neither do bullets.

Andromache

P.S. How do those with no Braille display do proofing? Set the screen
reader to all punctuation? I prefer Braille, because I like tactile
feedback and much prefer to see words than to be read to. Also helps
to keep my spelling skills sharp. But I find that all punctuation is a
very distracting way to read.

On 5/7/2010 5:35 AM, Debby Franson wrote:
Hi Jill and everyone!

Whenever I have submitted a cookbook, I have made sure all fractions
are correct.  I have wondered how accurate other Bookshare cookbooks
were until joining this list when I have found that many volunteers
take care to correct the scanos, since fractions are usually horrible
for OCR to get right.

The first cookbook I downloaded years ago was "The I Hate to Cook"
cookbook.  The fractions were not written as 1/2 and 1/4 but the
higher ASCII characters for those fractions, so, unless I was left'
or right-arrowing over those fractions, Window-Eyes ignored them
entirely, so I hope that people always use the 1/2 and 1/4 form of
the fractions so they are read rather than ignored by synthetic
speech..  I suspect those higher ASCII characters don't show up well
on a braille display either.  Am I right?  Here they are to test:

¼ ½

Debby

At 09:46 PM 5/6/2010, Jill O'Connell wrote
I hope you sent your suggestion to the volunteer coordinator where
it might possibly do some good. It is really disappointing to
download a recipe book and find it virtually unreadable.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>Melissa Smith
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Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:03 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Credit Suggestion

If only the outsourcers did as fine a job as many of the scanners
and proofers on this list. I don't know how many books I've read,
that were done by the outsourcers, that were poorly done. I do make
quality reports when warranted. Not to mention the fact that, I was
told a few months ago by Bookshare staff, that the outsourcers
wouldn't be working on any more cookbooks.


Melissa Smith
On 5/6/2010 5:31 PM, Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote:
One idea is to let the more complicated books be handled by
staff/outsourcers.

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