[bksvol-discuss] Re: Copyright question

First, let me apologize for the multiple messages.  I'm not sure how that
happened.

Now to answer Cindy's question.  Just because a copyright is not listed, you
cannot automatically assume that the author or the listed publisher holds
the copyright on it.  I'm afraid it's a little more complicated than that.
The non appearance of copyright information may be due to various reasons
including missing pages, etc.  Sometimes, even when a
publisher/printer/individual commissions a work, the copyright is still held
by the author or a third-party altogether.  When it comes to copyright law
and copyright information, the legalities are broad and have more than 200
years of historical precedennce to make it even more confusing.  I would
suggest to all that never assume anything but base your judgements on what
you know after thorough fact checking.
 
Pratik


Pratik Patel
Interim Director
Office of Special Services
Queens College
Director
CUNY Assistive Technology Services
The City University of New York
     ppatel@xxxxxx
 
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:44 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Copyright question

No, Pratik, you haven't made things confusing, you've
clarified.

If I understand you correctly, the creation date is
when the author first starts work on his/her opus,
rather than when (s)he finishes it, and he/she puts
that date on the application for copyright.  I wasn't
aware that an author was presumed to have the
copyright on his/her work even if it wasn't applied
for. That means, I assume, that when we can't find
specific information about the copyright holder
anywhere, and I mean after a thorough search, we can
assume that the author is the holder -- or should we
assume, when we see the date immediately after the
publisher's name, that the work was commissioned by
the publisher and that firm holds the copyright? That
would seem to be the case in some series I've seen,
usually for books for children, perhaps about the
sciences.

Thanks for clearing up, along with Gerald, the
difference dates on the LC page, at least for me.

Cindy

Cindy


-- Pratik Patel <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> The difference between the Creation date and the
> Copyright Registration date
> has implications related to when the author actually
> began work on the book.
> A piece of writing is ocnsidered to have copyright
> associated with it even
> if the author does not register it with the office. 
> The work is given a
> copyright registration date after the author, agent,
> or another copyright
> holder actually makes a filing request with the
> LOC's copyright office.  You
> may also find that full copyright transfers from one
> party to another are
> also noted in terms of creation dates.  As the
> original author is the
> creator and always has the first copyright
> associated with him/her--of
> course it's not the case if someone produces a
> comissioned work, the
> copyright transfer is denoted with the copyright
> notice in the system.  
> 
> I hope I haven't made things more confusing for you.
> 
> Prat
> 
> 
> 
> Pratik Patel
> Interim Director
> Office of Special Services
> Queens College
> Director
> CUNY Assistive Technology Services
> The City University of New York
>      ppatel@xxxxxx
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Gerald Hovas
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:28 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Copyright question
> 
> Cindy,
> 
> The claimant is the copyright holder, and I believe
> the copyright date is
> the registration date, but I've never run across a
> book where the year of
> the publication and registration dates disagree.  It
> definitely is not the
> creation date.  I've run across several books where
> the year of the creation
> date disagrees with the year of the other two dates,
> and the creation date
> was not the one printed in the book.  Here's a good
> example.  If you look at
> The Broker by John Grisham, you will see a creation
> date of 2004 and a
> publication date and registration date of 2005, then
> if you check Bookshare
> you will see the copyright date was entered as 2005.
> 
> Gerald
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Cindy
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:48 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Copyright question
> 
> 
> -There is an ISBN number, but I didn't note it.
> 
> I did check with amazon, barnes and noble and
> borders,
> hoping they'd let us "look inside," but no luck. I
> did
> find the book on the US copyright page, but I find
> that hard to understand. Gerald, I know you've
> looked
> at that before; maybe you can translate the
> following
> info.
> 
> If claimant means the one who wants the copyright,
> it's Columbia University Press.
> 
> If created means the copyright  itself was created,
> rather thanthe book, then the copyright date is
> 1989.
> 
> But If registered means that's when the copyright
> was
> registered, that date is 1990. The specific date of
> registration is (July 30) is 12 days after the
> publication date. so my guess would be that that is
> the copyright date, but perhaps you'd better ask
> Gustavo (gustavo.g@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
> 
> Cindy
> 
> P.S. you don't really need the ISBN number for
> bookshare, but if you want to put it in, you can
> find
> the book via the title at any of the above-mentioned
> online bookstores and they do give the ISBN number.
> 
> Gerald, I read all my posts before answering. I
> thought you'd beat me to th LC info, as you did once
> before (grin).
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
> 
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