Its worth pointing out that the page numbers are still present in the daisy format, at least; those numbers that some folks so carefully preserve are used in that format, so all you need do is read with something that recognizes the tags. Is that any less reasonable a request than asking people to go strip headers by hand? That is an extremely tedious process; the longer the book, the more tedious. And since many don't own something like K1000 that will do a decent job in many instances, those who don't would then be left to strip each page or live with what the validator submits, headers, numbers and all. You're right. There are different views, and one size will never fit all. But I do think the daisy books with the numbers on demand are a good compromise. Mary