My wish is that the contracts with the publishers perhaps could be revised so that their donated ebooks could exist alongside the books that you-all have mentioned which might, for the reasons you have mentioned, be better. Libraries have duplicate copies of books sometimes by the same publisher and sometimes editions by different publishers. This perhaps is a matter for Jim or the publisher-liaison person to bring up to the publishers. Cindy --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Paula and James Muysenberg <outofsightlife@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Paula and James Muysenberg <outofsightlife@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bookshare & PQ submissions > To: "Bkvol" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 4:35 PM > these books contain charts or diagrams. I try to either > format the charts so > they will be understandable, keeping in mind that the > Bookshare stripper > removes tabs, or I put an explanation in brackets. I'm > sure other submitters > do similar things, all of which would be lost when the book > is replaced. > For the most part, I'm excited about publishers > donating books to > Bookshare, but I really think these other issues need to be > addressed. I'm > concerned that none of this seems to have been taken in > consideration, when > the contract with publishers was drawn up. > The loss of picture descriptions in children's > books especially troubles > me, since some children's books don't > make much sense without the pictures. When our oldest > daughter was a > toddler, someone gave us a couple of Frances books. The > books never mention > that Frances and her family are bears, and since I > couldn't see the > pictures, it was years before I found that out. I also > didn't know for the > longest that Clifferd is a huge, red dog. Oh the gaps that > will be left in > our > education, without picture descriptions! > X-archive-position: 18538 > X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 > Sender: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Errors-to: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > X-original-sender: outofsightlife@xxxxxxxxx > Precedence: normal > Reply-to: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > List-help: > <mailto:ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=help> > List-unsubscribe: > <bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=unsubscribe> > List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 > List-Id: bksvol-discuss > <bksvol-discuss.freelists.org> > X-List-ID: bksvol-discuss > <bksvol-discuss.freelists.org> > List-subscribe: > <bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=subscribe> > List-owner: <mailto:admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > List-post: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > List-archive: > <http://www.freelists.org/archives/bksvol-discuss> > X-list: bksvol-discuss > > Paula > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 5:33 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bookshare & PQ > submissions > > > > Hi Carrie and Pavi, > > > > All that you say here I understand completely. There > are, however, > > a couple of cases in which replacing a truly excellent > copy of a book > > scanned and validated by conscientious volunteers > would be, in my opinion, > > harmful to the Bookshare collection. Children's > books that have had > picture > > descriptions and handwritten pages typed in by > volunteers, and books of > > poetry in which stanzas have been preserved would be > of lower quality from > > the publishers. Obviously copies of childrens' > books from the publisher > > will not include picture descriptions. If handwriting > is preserved in the > > text of publisher quality books as handwriting, , no > screen reader will > read > > that. And finally, poetry that is not protected from > having all of its > > stanzas and lines run together is no longer poetry, > but prose, which it > was > > not intended to be. > > > > I understand that to keep your contract with > publishers, you must > > keep only their copies of books. That can't > probably be changed. I do > > think it is important to note that there will be in > some few cases, some > > important things lost by removing scanned copies of > books from the > Bookshare > > collection. I doubt that there is anything that can > be done. But this is > a > > sad situation to me. > > > > I would suggest that members grab any books whose > quality might > > suffer in ways that I have noted, and others that I > haven't thought of, > that > > they want to read that might be replaced by publisher > quality books now > > before they are replaced. > > > > Mayrie > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Pavi Mehta > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:20 PM > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; > bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Cc: Lisa Friendly > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Bookshare & PQ > submissions > > > > Hi All, > > > > In the light of recent discussions on the list > regarding Publisher quality > > submissions we wanted to send an email to all of you > to clarify > Bookshare's > > position on this. > > > > While volunteers continue to be our primary source of > books being put into > > the collection, upgrading books already in the > collection continues to be > > one of Bookshare's primary goals. Many volunteers > have contributed > > thousands of hours in improving books in the > collection, and they do a > great > > job! But publishers have resources that allow them to > create perfect > copies > > of books. Bookshare would like every single book in > the collection to be > > absolutely perfect, and this goal actually might be > achievable if we can > > convince publishers to donate e-book versions of their > books. Many of the > > Publisher Quality books that we receive are in perfect > condition, but not > > quite all at this point, as the technology is evolving > in the publishing > > industry. > > > > We need to encourage publishers to donate their books, > since eventually > they > > will be donating ONLY perfect books. And wouldn't > that be wonderful? > Imagine > > every single book in the collection being perfect! > Currently it's a goal, > > but someday, maybe not too far away, it might be > possible to achieve it. > > We know that thousands of volunteers have contributed > hundreds of > thousands > > of hours of effort in putting books into the > collection, and we > acknowledge > > that the vast majority of our books are in excellent > condition. But > > upgrading our books will always be a primary goal, and > to that end, we > will > > replace current books with publisher quality books. It > is also very > > important for us to let our volunteer community know > that this replacement > > policy is in fact a requirement of the contracts that > we sign with the > > publishing houses. > > > > To the extent possible, we will also inform the > volunteers of the books > that > > publishers will be sending us, so as to not duplicate > efforts. With every > > batch of books that publishers send us, there are > software changes > required > > in our processing of their books, so the books are > currently being added > to > > the collection in at a fairly slow trickle. But we are > pretty optimistic > > that in the near future, the speed of donating books > and processing them > > will increase. Our mandate from the US Department of > Education is to put > > 100,000 new books into the collection in 5 years. We > have no doubt that we > > will meet that goal, especially with all the Publisher > Quality books that > we > > are being given by the forward-thinking publishers who > are so generous > with > > their time, efforts and books. Huge thanks to > O'Reilly, HarperCollins, > > Scholastic, and other publishing houses and to all of > you as we continue > to > > grow the collection as a team. > > > > > > Carrie Karnos and Pavi Mehta > > Bookshare.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject line. To get a list > of available commands, put the word 'help' by > itself in the subject line. > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, > version of virus > signature database 3338 (20080807) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject > line. To get a list of available commands, put the word > 'help' by itself in the subject line. 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