Maybe exceptions could occasionally be made so that some people who have
access to print books or certain abilities to deal with some problem books
or books with content that many others don't care to read could keep 6 or
7 books rather tahn have them sit on the checkout page.books
Cindy
Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and
books-being-scanned list available at sites below
Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
Books Being Scanned List:
https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
--- On Thu, 12/31/09, Melissa Green <graduate56@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Melissa Green <graduate56@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs
> To: "bksvol-discuss" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 2:01 PM
>
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> Hello.
> You have made another good point about
> holds.
> Its true. There are people with
> 25 or more books on hold
> for them.
>
> Sincerely,
> Melissa Green
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> ----- Original Message
> -----
> From:
> Monica Willyard
>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> Sent: Thursday,
> December 24, 2009 12:13
> PM
> Subject:
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with
> HOLDs
>
>
> To help get us back on track, I
> think two weeks is
> plenty of time for a person to download a book being held
> for them. After all,
> Carrie isn't saying you have two weeks to finish
> working on a book. You just
> have two weeks to do the initial download of your held
> book. This is an
> experiment to see if a corrective measure will get books
> flowing again. It can
> be adjusted if it doesn't work.
>
> If you have five books in
> progress already so that
> you can't download a new one being held for you, your
> plate is full. It's like
> eating at a buffet. No matter how much you want to try
> many foods, you can
> only fit so much onto one plate. You can't fit
> everything onto your plate. You
> have to eat what's there and then go back for seconds
> if you want to.
>
>
> Unless you urgently need
> credits, why not let another
> volunteer with no books at all work on one of yours? Yes,
> there are special
> circumstances sometimes, like with our sighted volunteers
> that are awaiting
> print books or when the submitter may need to provide
> additional support for
> the proofreader. However, sometimes I see people with 25
> to 30 books being
> held for them. It isn't because there's something
> wrong with the books that
> needs a certain skill. It's just because the two
> people like each other.
> There's nothing wrong with liking each other. There
> is something wrong with
> one person having 25 books to work on that they can't
> get to in a reasonable
> amount of time when others are available to help. Letting
> books sit
> for months before even beginning to work on them
> means that no one else
> can read that book while it's lying around. That
> harms the entire Bookshare
> membership since that book remains inaccessible until
> it's
> approved.
>
> Most people are using holds
> responsibly. This issue
> keeps cropping up because a few people are
> abusing the system. At one
> point, I only saw four books without holds on the entire
> first page of 100
> titles. That's insane!
>
> Monica
> Willyard
> "The best way to
> predict the future is to create it." -- Peter
> Drucker
>
>
>
>
> From:
> bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Carrie
> Karnos
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:07 AM
> To:
> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books
> with HOLDs
>
>
>
>
> The limit of 5 books is an automated check that the
> system does, so I
> can't change that. But what I can do is not remove
> HOLDs on books in the
> checkout queue. If you want me to not remove a HOLD,
> please email me about it.
> What we're hoping to accomplish with removing HOLDs
> is for books to be put
> into the system in a timely manner. Maybe the backstory
> will help make this
> more understandable.
>
> The reason that there's a maximum of 5 books is
> because in the past, there was no maximum, and of course,
> some members abused
> the system. They would check out 20 books and spend
> months working a little
> here, a little there, and eventually upload the books
> 6-12 months after they
> got them from the checkout queue. It was REALLY
> frustrating for submitters to
> have to wait so long for their books to go into the
> collection. And the other
> consequence was that one submitter would put a book in,
> someone would check it
> out and spend months on it. In the meantime, another
> submitter would put the
> same book in the queue and another proofer would fix it
> up pronto, and upload
> the book, and I'd approve it. The first submitter
> would get nothing for his
> work, despite putting his book in before the second
> submitter.
> (The
> oldtimers already know all this, but I thought I'd
> mention it for the
> newbies.)
>
> Anyway, let's give removing HOLDs a try and see how it
> goes.
> We can always change the time limit if 2 weeks proves to
> be too short.
>
>
> Thanks to everyone for your comments and your perseverance
> in helping
> to make the scanning and proofing process better!
>
> Carrie
>
>
>
>
>
> From:
> Valerie Maples
> <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To:
> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wed, December
> 23, 2009 8:13:43
> PM
> Subject:
> [bksvol-discuss]
> Re: Books with HOLDs
>
> Or to be able to ask Carrie or Pavi for a
> relax on the limit of 5 so it can be with you as time
> permits. that
> would work for me.
>
> Valerie
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Mike
> wrote:
>
> > Since two weeks is the basic time for
> proofing/renewing a
> book, that would mean if your checkout limit is full, you
> have to finish
> something in the next two week period or lose the held
> book. That's a
> rather strict requirement. I would say at least 4
> weeks, maybe two
> months. If you know you can't get to it in two
> months, wouldn't it be
> just as easy for the submitter to just not submit it
> until you are
> ready?
> >
> > Misha
> >
> > siss52 wrote:
> >> I
> predict that most people will hate such a short span of
> time. Only two
> weeks? Wow!!!
> >> Sue S.
> >> ----- Original Message
> -----
> >> *From:* Carrie Karnos <mailto:ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> *To:*
> Bookshare Vol Group <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:30 PM
> >> *Subject:*
> [bksvol-discuss] Books with HOLDs
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
>
> >> Since we've had loads of complaints about
> books with HOLDs in
> their titles languishing in the checkout queue for weeks,
> months and years,
> the Bookshare Collection Development department has
> instituted a new policy.
> If a book has been on the checkout list for more than 2
> weeks with a HOLD in
> its title, I will remove the HOLD to allow other people
> to proof the
> book.
> >>
> >> On January 1st, I will remove the HOLDs on all
> books that were submitted prior to December 1st. This is
> to give people time
> to finish their current books and start on their new ones
> that have HOLDs on
> them. On January 15th, I'll remove the HOLDs on any
> books that were submitted
> during December, and then the 2-week rule will go into
> effect.
> >>
>
> >> I know that some people will love this, and other
> people will
> hate it. Let's try it for a while, and see how it
> goes. If the vast majority
> of people hate this, then we'll revisit it.
> >>
> >> By the
> way, having a time limit on HOLD books in the checkout
> queue was one of the
> top suggestions in the volunteer survey that Pavi sent
> out. She is working on
> an email to be sent to everyone that details the results
> of the survey. The
> survey provided a huge amount of really valuable
> feedback, so thanks very much
> to everyone who participated in it!
> >>
> >> Happy holidays!
> Carrie
> >>
> >>
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