I love the concert analogy. That's exactly how I feel when editing as well. I am reading a book right now where a few pages were scanned and for some reason periods just didn't make it into the finished product. Weird, too, because the rest of the book was fine. Anyway, reading the book with speech made it quite apparent where the periods were supposed to be, just by the sound and rhythm of the words. Okay, context played a part in there as well.
It's interesting to note that certain synthesizers work better for this than others. Although I generally prefer the more human-sounding speech synths, sometimes it can work against me when I'm editing. Eloquence and Doubletalk are my favorites for this kind of work.
On 23 Apr 2008, at 06:12, Bob wrote:
That's an excellent question, and there's no definitive way to know.It depends on the tools one can use, and an individual's own experiences. And then, of course, there's good old intuition.As I don't have any way of getting Braille output on my system, I'll leave that part of it to others. But, I'm sure as one reads a document, things stick out like sore thumbs: Things that speech would jump right over.I use speech and have done so since the early 1980s. Therefore, speech output is like a second language to me. Before I retired, much of my work had to do with editing reports that others did. They used to call me the punctuation junky. For me, things just sounded wrong. That's the way it is when validating. I'll be reading right along when something sticks out like a sour note in a beautiful concert.I'll give a simple example. When you read something like "1 was walking down the street," I imagine that sentence looks fine. After all doesn't the letter i and the number 1 look the same? Those who remember typewriters remember the lazy man's shortcuts people used (l or i for 1, and o for zero). I used to hate those things because they may have looked alike but they sure didn't sound alike.As I say, it also depends on the tools one has at hand. I have come to rely on Kurzweil's "ranked spelling" tool. This handy little tool finds all the words in your document that appear to be misspelled. Then it ranks them based on how many times they are used in the document. Therefore, if a misspelling occurs, say, 280 times, chances are that it isn't a mistake. But those pesky words that occur once or twice have a good chance of being an error.I've also used Microsoft's word spell check to find words that don't make sense. It doesn't rank the words, but it's an excellent spell checker, and can sometimes find errors that Kurzweil doesn't detect.Okay, that's probably more than you wanted to know, but, as I said, it's an excellent question, and I wanted to give it the thoroughness it deserves.Thanks. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dixie" <BlueHerons@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:29 AMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books rated excellent recently added to the collection that are really only goodHow does one know definitively if it is a scanning error vs. an editor errorin a book?----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Petraccaro" <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:08 AMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books rated excellent recently added to thecollection that are really only goodI've read Three Hearts and Three Lions several times my favorite edition has 3 errors--turth for truth, bas for bears, and beat for bat. Once I would have corrected them. Now, I think they make up part of the flavor of that edition. There's a first edition version published by the SF Bookclub, some of the wording changes between first and second editions. Which was the author's intention? He published it both ways. If they're different, I letthem be different.----- Original Message ----- From: "Carrie Karnos" <ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:35 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books rated excellent recently added to thecollection that are really only goodThe Bookshare policy is to correct scanning errors, but not change the content, as Lora said. I will move sections of text around, when it makes it clearer to the readers what the flow of the text is, but I don't add or delete words. As a case in point, a few days ago, someone donated a bookwhere in 2 different instances, the bottom 2 lines on one page arerepeated on the top 2 lines of the next page. I can't remove the repeated text (as much as I'd like to!) but I'm going to add a validator's note that says these lines are repeated in the book, it's not a scanning error. This is solely to prevent confusion. I imagine I'd get a lot of people writing in to say that the scanner messed up, when it's the book that'smessed up. HTH, Carrie ----- Original Message ---- From: Lora <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:22:43 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books rated excellent recently added to thecollection that are really only goodOh no, no, no. We should never correct facts like that. As was said by someone else, it violates the author and publisher copyright. And weshould have the same experience as the sighted public in our reading.More to the point, and please understand that I mean no offense, I want to read what the author said, not what anyone thinks he or she should havesaid.In fact, I'd love to see Bookshare make a policy regarding this, if they haven't already. We should not change content, only correct the errorsthat were introduced by the scanning process. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Curtis DelzerSent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:09 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books rated excellent recently added to thecollection that are really only goodWell, if it is an obvious error, if we are absolutely sure of the correct title, (as in my case with the Roy Orbison book which I should submit for review, then I will do it. If I am not sure, I will not even begin to get the idea I should change it. All Roy Orbison fans should know the correct title of that song referred too in that book, but if you were not a fanordidn't know the titles of his songs, then you might think that "breakingupis hard to do," is correct, when in fact, it is not. So, since I know, I changed it to "breaking up is breaking my heart," the correct title. It is like saying, in this case that president Truman was elected in 1960, whenin fact, it was not. :) :) <grin>Authors are human, they do not know all the facts or they can, even inbookform, make mistakes. We are not "authors" as such, but if you have a fact, it is a fact after all, and whether or not it is a book, published or not,if that fact is continually allowed to flourish via your hands as "editors"as such, then you are responsible if you do not change it to the correct facts, if your ground is as certain as the rock that is the essence ofthis planet. <grin> Curtis Delzer----- Original Message ----- From: "eric troup" <yakkoman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:09 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books rated excellent recently added to thecollection that are really only goodAgreed. 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