That's a good way to get rid of the headers.Unfortunately I suspect that people are using the Utility in Kurzweil that strips both headers and page numbers, not pretty.
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rather they thought of it as an act of divinely mandated righteousness.The same can be said of most of the violence we humans have ever committed. -Gil Bailie, author and lecturer (b. 1944)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Schwab" <budschwab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:48 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books Without Page Numbers
Hi,In all the books I scan I remove the headers with;out removing the page numbers if they are on the same line. Anybody who proofs any of my books will know that the headers are gone and all pages are still numbered. I just hold down the caps key and right arrow over all of the title, but not the page number, to highlight it, then go to edit and arrow to where it says "look for" and then tab down till it says "remove all" and then press enter and the headers are all gone throughout the book with the page numbers intact Hope that's clear, my descriptions are sometimes kind of vague.Bud d . At 07:30 AM 4/20/2009, you wrote:Actually if you use the utility feature to strip headers, it does take off the page number and the header. And when I asked a couple of versions of Kurzweil back a go why it did that they informed me that it was requested to do that.Shelley L. Rhodes, M.A., VRT And Guinevere: Golden Lady Guide Dog guidinggolden@xxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs for the Blind Alumni Association www.guidedogs.comThe people who burned witches at the stake never for one moment thought of their act as violence;rather they thought of it as an act of divinely mandated righteousness.The same can be said of most of the violence we humans have ever committed. -Gil Bailie, author and lecturer (b. 1944)----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Schwab" <budschwab@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 11:15 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books Without Page NumbersHi,It's quite easy to use the Kurzweil feature to remove headers and keep page numbers. I do it all the time. You just highlight the header and not the page number even if they are both on the same line and it works great.BudAt 06:56 PM 4/19/2009, you wrote:I know of something that is being done that's stripping page numbers andsometimes chapter headings from submitted books as well. Some volunteers,mostly not on the list, have begun using Kurzweil's feature to stripheaders automatically. While it does remove the annoying header at the top of the page, it also removes the page numbers as well. I don't think this is being done with any malice or any realization of how difficult proofreadingthese books can be. It just seems like a handy shortcut. The text of the books is clean and easy to read. Right now, Bookshare still hasn'tofficially required page numbers, so it's a touchy subject. I have politely asked two volunteers to use another method and was told that page numbers are annoying and that the people don't want to hear them while reading. Inboth cases, there were missing pages, and I had to go and buy the novel because there was no way to get these people to scan the pages I neededsince their print page numbers and my number of page breaks didn't agree.This is a very gray area for me. The only solution I've thought of is to put in numbers by hand, but that's a guessing game since there's not a good way to tell what the page number is for the first page of core content. It may be page 1 in some books but is different in other books. It's usually page 7 in the Harlequin and Steeplehill romances and page 5 in the Berkley PrimeCrime series. Without official backing from Bookshare, I don't feel comfortable with either rejecting a book with clear text with no page numbers or continuing to ask that the submitter stop using the Kurzweil header feature.I'm a literalist when it comes to Bookshare's instructions, and the manualis pretty clear about page breaks being required but page numbers beingoptional. This is because some books do not come with page numbers, and I respect that. The manual does ask proofreaders not to remove page numbers if present, but it doesn't give any direct guidelines for proofreaders abouthandling books with the page numbers stripped. It also does not strongly advise submitters to refrain from using automatic stripping tools thatremove page numbers. I don't think it's right for me to hold a person to ahigher standard than what is required by Bookshare. I don't like thesituation though. It makes it much harder to spot missing pages, duplicatepages, and unnumbered pages containing ads or photos in the center of abook. I know this causes confusion for Carrie as well since she can't spotmissing pages either.Hmm. Since they're writing a new version of Kurzweil, maybe we would have better luck with asking them to write a page number protector so that people could strip headers without losing page numbers. Is anyone on the Kurzweil list or know of someone to approach at Kurzweil where that feature could berequested? Or maybe they could add a "number pages sequentially" feature where you could mark page 1, and the program could insert actual pagenumbers just after each page break until the end of the file. It would takethe define operator page numbers feature a step further and could be aseparate menu item so the define operator page number feature would still work as usual. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would make life easier when you have to manually number a 500 page book. What do you all think? Is itworth asking? Monica Willyard "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E. Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:03 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] request to submitters I have recently validated several books all of which had lots of junk characters, no page numbers whatsoever or both. If submitters are doing something which removes page numbers along with running headers and footers please do you best to find out how to retain the page numbers. Also please watch out for the following junk characters. For some reason I am finding more of them in submits lately.You need punctuation turned on to read the next few junk character examples.They are ~ ^ tab character * | \ I know it seems these characters can easily be removed. Sometimes what seems easy is harder than you think in reality so if you can prevent them from getting into your submits please help out. You may want to use rank spelling on a page or two of text to find out how it is scanning. Thanks for being understanding. 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