[bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom of pages

Jake,
I thought there needed to be a blank line *after* headers, and before
footers.  Is this wrong?
So, I thought the page number had to be in the first, or last line, of a
page, and, when it's on the top, be followed by a blank line.
For an example, you could see my validations of The Inimatble Jeeves, or
of The Catcher From Double-A.

How depressing, if I've been doing it wrong all these years.
Tracy

> Hello,
>
> Pratik is correct in that blank lines at the tops and bottoms of pages
> help ensure a high quality HTML file (derived from the DAISY). I am not
> aware of any changes since we last observed that this was accurate. Page
> headers/footers should be the first or last actual text on the page. After
> my signature, I have included the portion of the volunteer manual that
> discusses this.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jake
>
> Jake Brownell
> jakeb@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> 3.3.6 Feel Free To Clean Up Running Headers And Footers
> When a book is uploaded after validation, the Book Is processed by a tool
> which attempts to do four things:
>
>   1.. Identify recurring text at the top and bottom of each page known as
> "running headers and footers"
>   2.. Identify page numbers in the running headers and footers
>   3.. Remove text from running headers and footers
>   4.. Process the page numbers to allow easier navigation of DAISY books
> and include original page numbers in BRF books
> Volunteers can assist this tool by insuring that headers and footers are
> consistent throughout the book.
>
>   a.. Capitalization should be used consistently throughout headers and
> footers
>   b.. Tabs and spaces should be used consistently throughout headers and
> footers
>   c.. Page numbers and text in each header or footer should be on the same
> line
>   d.. Page numbers should be separated from text in a header or footer by
> a space or tab
> Note that the text will be removed by the tool if it is consistent, so the
> easiest way to insure that the tool can identify page numbers is to remove
> the text from running headers and footers. This is not only much easier
> for volunteers, but makes the tool's job simpler as well.
>
> If you wish to clean up headers and footers, please do the following for
> each page containing a header or footer:
>
>   a.. Make sure that if a page contains a header that the header is the
> first line of text on the page.
>   b.. Make sure that if a page contains a footer that the footer is the
> last line of text on the page.
> Note that lines containing punctuation marks or symbols, such as hyphens
> and asterisks, are considered lines of text.
>
> The following will also help prevent issues with page numbers in HTML
> files when creating an HTML file using the Bookshare.org Unpack Tool:
>
>   a.. Make sure there is a blank line before headers
>   b.. Make sure there is a blank line after footers
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Pratik Patel
>   To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>   Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:07 AM
>   Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom of
> pages
>
>
>   Hello all,
>
>
>
>   Based on the confusion, I'll do some tests over the weekend and report
> back.
>
>
>
>   Pratik
>
>
>
>
>
>   From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Guido Corona
>   Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:43 PM
>   To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>   Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom of
> pages
>
>
>
>
>   Allison,  the header processor is actually supposed to eat up headers;
> it should then extract page numbers and place them into the DAISY code,
> so that DAISY readers can go to the real page 4456,  instead of the
> 456th page from the beginning of the file.
>
>   G.
>
>
>   Guido Dante Corona
>   IBM Research,
>   Human Ability & Accessibility Center,   (HA&AC)
>   Austin Tx.
>   Phone:  512. 838. 9735.
>   Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
>   Web:  http://www.ibm.com/able
>
>   ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain they were right who
> were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just maybe, those who
> questioned the most were in the end those who came closest to being
> wise."
>   [David Poyer, The Command]
>
>
>
>
>         "Allison Hilliker" <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
>         Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>         01/11/2008 06:06 PM
>
>               Please respond to
>               bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>        To
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>               cc
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>               Subject
>              [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at  top/bottom
> of pages
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>   Hi,
>
>   I have been a validator for about 3 or 4 years now and really don't pay
>   attention to blank line placements, and I've not had any trouble with
> the
>   stripper eating my page numbers.
>
>   Best,
>   Allison
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>   To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>   Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:14 PM
>   Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom of
>   pages
>
>
>   > How does this no needing of blank lines match up with the need to put
> in
>   > blank lines around page breaks and page numbers so that the stripper
> does
>   > not remove said page numbers. If I am confused I can only imagine how
> new
>   > validators feel. (sigh no grin)
>   >
>   > E.
>   >
>   >  At 04:02 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote:
>   >>Hi Sue,
>   >>
>   >>You bring up an important question.  Let me clarify what I meant in my
>   >>earlier post.  Page breaks are absolutely required.  That has not
> change.
>   >>I
>   >>didn't mean to imply otherwise.  What Christine was asking about, or
> what
>   >>I
>   >>believe she was asking about, was whether or not a blank line needed
> to be
>   >>included at the beginning and end of every page.  These blank lines
> would
>   >>be
>   >>in addition to any page breaks.  These blanks are not necessary.  In
>   >>short,
>   >>the page breaks are required, and the blank lines are not.
>   >>
>   >>Hope this helps clear things up.
>   >>
>   >>Best,
>   >>
>   >>Allison Hilliker:
>   >>Intern, Benetech (Bookshare.org).
>   >>E-mail allisonh@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>   >>www.bookshare.org
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>  ----- Original Message ----- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>   >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>   >>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:37 PM
>   >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom
> of
>   >>pages
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>>
>   >>>Hi Allison,
>   >>>
>   >>>If this is true, has bookshare changed their policy about page
> breaks?  I
>   >>>thought they were not accepting books that lacked page breaks.
>   >>>
>   >>>Best,
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>>Sue S.
>   >>>
>   >>>----- O
>   >>>riginal Message ----- From: "Allison Hilliker"
> <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
>   >>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>   >>>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:31 PM
>   >>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom
> of
>   >>>pages
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>>Hi Christine,
>   >>>
>   >>>A book not having blank lines at the beginning and ends of pages is
> not
>   >>>cause for rejection.  True, the blanks can be helpful, but they are
> not
>   >>>necessary.  I verified
>   >>>this fact with another Bookshare staff member.  I'll also note that
> the
>   >>>volunteer manual sets forth no requirements relating to this issue.
>   >>>
>   >>>Best,
>   >>>
>   >>>Allison Hilliker:
>   >>>Intern, Benetech (Bookshare.org).
>   >>>E-mail allisonh@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>   >>>www.bookshare.org
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