What about whenyou're scanning, or do you not scan?
Cindy
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--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Denise Thompson <deniset@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Denise Thompson <deniset@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:29 AM
>
>
> Sounds are already on the computer to create
> a sound theme
> for Jaws to announce various atributes. I've created a
> proof reading
> sound skeme that I switch to when I'm proofing in word.
> It announces
> paragraph marks, new lines, bold text is designated by a
> piano middle C
> sound and italix is announced by a beep. I had it
> saying the font
> name and size for a while, but it it started driving me a
> little batty so
> I cut back on some atributes being announced. I've also
> included what
> punctuation I want announced when jaws punctuation is set
> to most to
> include the quotes,' and elipsis. I want to know the
> quotes are coming
> out right. A lot of times I find the first quote is fine,
> but the second
> is just an '. I can change it right then. So with very
> little effort you
> can make jaws conform to whatever attributes you want
> spoken. This is
> done in the configuration manager under speech or sounds
> manager. I can't
> remember without looking. When you mess with this you
> don't have to worry
> about killing your computer or anything like that.
> Computers today aren't
> that touchy. Besides unless you click on ok and also save
> the changes
> when you exit configuration manager it just reverts to what
> you had
> before you changed anything. So if you're uncertain
> about something
> you've tried to do just exit and say no when it asks if
> you want to save
> the changes.
>
>
> Denise
>
>
>
>
> At 10:07 PM 11/7/2009, you wrote:
>
> I know what
> could be a good Idea
> have a sound scheme for whenever something is capitalized,
> I can take a
> recording of a beep or play a high C on trumpet and have
> that be the caps
> indicator, what do you all think in general?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Friedman"
> <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:13 PM
>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>
>
>
>
> Hi, Chela,
> yes, I have noticed
> that. That's the only thing about it that
>
> bugs me. I have compensated for the typing lag in the voice
> by raising
> the
>
> rate of the keyboard voice to 60% and that works fine for
> me. I'd like
> to
>
> find a way to remedy matters so one can know if a word is
> capitalized
> in
>
> some way in an unobtrusive manner, but I don't know
> what to do about
> this
>
> one. Regards, Kim Friedman.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> [
> mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Chela
> Robles
>
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:03 PM
>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>
>
> You know, real speak voices is one of the ones when I use
> JFW
> sometimes
>
> using those voices, doesn't raise the pitch when
> capitalizing
> something,
>
> anyone else notice that, at least the neospeech and
> eloquence does.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Mayrie ReNae"
> <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:46 PM
>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>
>
>
>
> Hi Cindy!
>
>
> If I am listening to a book, I can hear bold and italicized
> text. The
>
> pitch of the reading voice is different. And when I
> scan a book,
> my
>
> books retain the bold and italics. That's all
> just me. There
> may be
>
> folks whose scanning software doesn't preserve bold and
> italics,
>
> though I've never heard of one that stripped
> that. But
> anything's
>
> possible.
>
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> [
> mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Cindy
>
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:03 PM
>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>
>
> But we don't know when we submit or upload books
> whether they're
> going
>
> to be converted to Daisy or not, do we? And we're
> supposed to keep
> the
>
> file as cl;close as possible to the print book, so I'd
> retain
> italics,
>
> bold, and larger fonts as needed--jmo.
>
>
> When one is listening to a book (is that Daisy?), does one
> hear
>
> emphasis when a word is italicized? Do you scanners listen
> when you
>
> scan? Or how do you know if words need to be italicized?
> The book
> I'm
>
> soon to upload I have because it needed page breaks, but as
> I put in
>
> the breaks I found I had to eye-scan the print page because
> there
> are
>
> a lot of words I found that hadto be changed in the file to
> italics.
>
> It was just accident that a sighted proofer happened to get
> this
> file.
>
> How would a blind scanner know that a book needed a sighted
> proofer
> to
>
> put in italics? Can the OCR be set to scan italicised words
> or words
>
> with an odd font?
>
>
> cindy
>
> Cindy
>
>
> Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and
>
> books-being-scanned list available at sites below
>
>
>
>
>
> Wish List:
>
> https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
>
>
> Books Being Scanned List:
>
>
> https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Bob
> <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 1:25 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> As far as I know, bold and
>
> italics make no
>
> difference at all. They may very well be taken out.
>
>
> Bob
>
>
> "We know the future will outlast all of us, but I
> believe that all
> of
>
> us will live on in the future we make,"
>
> Senator Edward M. Kennedy
>
>
> ----- Original Message
>
> ----- From:
>
> Denise Thompson
>
>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>
> Sent: Sunday,
>
> November 08, 2009 5:44
>
> PM
>
> Subject:
>
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded
>
> words in text
>
>
> My question is- does it make a
>
> difference in Daisy
>
> to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it?
>
> I've been changing the
>
> book to TN 23 and then putting the chapter in 16
> because I
> though
>
> that's what
>
> we've talked about doing on this list before. I
> use regular
> for
>
> both. I was
>
> under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold
> or other types
> of
>
> text
>
> atributes. So now that we're all confused as to
> what to do.
> Someone
>
> needs to
>
> decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed
> books that
> I've
>
> done this
>
> with have been approved by admin so apparently admin
> thinks
> regular
>
> text is
>
> ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it
> keeping
> changing
>
> makes it
>
> difficult for those of us doing proofing.
>
>
> Denise
>
>
>
>
> At 11:47 AM
>
> 11/7/2009, you wrote:
>
>
> Monica, you
>
> make a good point;
>
> however, I am sure that the request to
> change the
> entire text of a
>
> submission to Times Roman 12 is in the
> manual.
>
>
> Like you, I always
>
> change fonts in my chapter titles to a
> larger size,
> but luckily I
>
> have made
>
> a note to that effect when submitting
> the book.
>
> However, it would be very
>
> easy to do all the work you mention and
> not make a
> note.
>
>
> I agree with
>
> the other Lori from a later message that
> I have
> changed the font
>
> in order to
>
> make the text more readable and also to
> reduce some
> very large
>
> fonts.
>
> In future, I will check the fonts of
> chapter titles
> before making
>
> a
>
> universal change.
>
>
> Lori C.
>
> .
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message
>
> ----- From: "Monica Willyard"
>
> <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> To:
>
> <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009
>
> 10:56 PM
>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>
>
>
>
>
> Melissa
>
> and Lori, please,
>
> please don't do this as
> a principle on
> every book.
>
> I don't think you
>
> realize that this could do
> damage to
> someone's submission.
>
> When I
>
> submit books, I work very
> hard to fix the
> fonts so that my
>
> chapter
>
> headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and
> the
>
> Bookshare
>
> tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or
> font
>
>
> size to tell
>
> when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current
>
> book I'm scanning
>
> uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and
>
> log entries when the
>
> scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New
>
> Roman.
>
>
> Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are
> at
>
> the bottom of
>
> the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or
>
> numbers tells the
>
> Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter
>
> or part begins. If you
>
> change the entire document to 12 point, you
>
> would unintentionally undo
> the
>
> work I spend a couple of hours doing to
>
> ensure good daisy navigation
> for everyone.
> Braille and blind
>
> speech
>
> users wouldn't notice.
> Our members with
> learning disabilities
>
> would
>
> though, and I'm doing
> everything I can to
> make their reading as
>
> easy
>
> and pleasurable as ours.
>
>
> I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like
>
> a lecture. It's not
> meant that
>
> way. I'm pleading with you to learn
>
> about how fonts work and why
> they matter.
> I used to do the same
>
> thing
>
> as you, changing mine to
> Times New Roman
> as well. Then Judy and
>
> Valerie
>
> came into my life and opened
> my eyes and
> heart to their needs.
>
> Since
>
> then I began paying
> attention to the fonts
> in my scans before
>
> submitting them. Now I make
> sure the fonts
> for chapters are
>
> correct as
>
> I strip headers in my
> books.
>
>
> This isn't an absolute thing, and it's
>
> not a show-stopper in the
> grand scheme of
> things. If you know
>
> for sure
>
> that the submitter
> hasn't done any work
> with the fonts,
>
> changing the
>
> font probably won't
> matter. If your
> screenreader won't speak
>
> the text
>
> in Word, you may have to
> change it to 12
> point as a base. In
>
> that case,
>
> will you please consider
> taking the time
> to enlarge the font for
>
> chapter headings to 14 or 16
> point? You
> can do that quickly by
>
> selecting the chapter name
> or number and
> pressing control right
>
> bracket
>
> in Kurzweil or shift control
> right bracket
> in Word.
>
> It will
>
> increase
>
> the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you
>
> should hear the
>
> font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the
>
> font smaller, by the
>
> way.
>
>
> It does take extra time to do this. I
>
> freely admit that. If you
> are blind like
> me, fonts mean very
>
> little
>
> since we can't see them.
> Still, I know I'd
> want help if
>
> something was
>
> causing my Braille books to
> read badly, so
> I take time to do it
>
> for
>
> others who need it.
>
>
> Monica Willyard
>
> "The best way to predict the
>
> future is to create
> it." -- Peter
> Drucker
>
>
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>
> Smith
>
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM
>
> To:
>
>
> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words
>
> in text
>
>
> I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New
>
> Roman, and 12
>
> Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This
>
> leaves any bold or
>
> italicized text the way it is. I do this in every
>
> book I proof.
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
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