I wonder if we can glean the information from the online version of the book. I haven’t looked too hard but seems like I recall that there is a version online where one can click on a page at a time. I’ll do some checking. Prat From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Guido Corona Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:34 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books again - how do we submit them? JFW reports appropriate section numbers upon ins-pagedown. These seem however to be based on the currently loaded template rather than on any particular control codes found in the document. We could physically insert a page break at each spot following a ctrl-pagedown, but I fear that may not match necessarily the print copy. Another way may be to scan the paperback anyhow, and then to use it only to locate appropriate page break which we would then insert in the publisher-perfect etext. Interesting problem. Guido Dante Corona IBM Research, Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) Austin Tx. Phone: 512. 838. 9735. Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Web: <http://www.ibm.com/able> http://www.ibm.com/able ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain they were right who were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just maybe, those who questioned the most were in the end those who came closest to being wise." [David Poyer, The Command] "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 01/07/2008 04:09 PM Please respond to bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books again - how do we submit them? Hi Guido, Word 2007 reports Section X of Y on the status bar if there are multiple sections in a file. I don’t recall 2003 reporting that info. But, try Insert+PGDN (or JAWS+Page down). I must say Word 2007 is a lot better at reporting relevant info. If you don’t find that info, try doing a global replace for ^b with ^m and see what’s reported. If word manages to replace multiple occurrences, you can safely assume that it was the case. In any case, it doesn’t hirt to replace section breaks with hard page breaks. If you do have multiple occurrences and manage to replace them, save the file and reopen it in Kurzweil 1000. Now Kurzweil 1000 should reportcorrect number of pages. Prat From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [ <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Guido Corona Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 4:09 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books again - how do we submit them? That's entirely possible Prat. How do we check for 'section breaks' in MS Word / JFW? G. Guido Dante Corona IBM Research, Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) Austin Tx. Phone: 512. 838. 9735. Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Web: <http://www.ibm.com/able> http://www.ibm.com/able ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain they were right who were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just maybe, those who questioned the most were in the end those who came closest to being wise." [David Poyer, The Command] "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 01/07/2008 02:54 PM Please respond to bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books again - how do we submit them? There appears to be some inconsistency on how books derive their page numbers. Not all books have correct page breaks. I just downloaded two books for comparison purposes. One had no hard page breaks, the other, had some hard page breaks and other soft breaks. Guido, the version you downloaded, how many sections does Word report having in that file? I suspect that that particular book probably has the infamous section breaks that FR is so fond of inserting instead of hard page breaks. That probably is the reason why Kurzweil 1000 decided not to like those pages too. Prat From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [ <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Sestak Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:43 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books again - how do we submit them? The book I downloaded had hard page breaks for the front pages up to the first chapter, then soft page breaks for most of the rest (maybe some hard page breaks between chapters). As I understand it, the bookshare software does not recognize soft page breaks (actually, I don't think soft page breaks exist in the file, I think word just puts them in on the fly). Misha ----- Original Message ---- From: "james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 7, 2008 9:50:35 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books again - how do we submit them? Hi Guido, Are some of the page breaks hard ones and some soft perhaps? What does it look like when you use Control+Shift+8 and use JAWS to look at the character codes for the page breaks? Jim James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc., james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810 "Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead "Guido Corona" <guidoc@xxxxxxxxx m> To Sent by: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx bksvol-discuss-bo cc unce@xxxxxxxxxxxx g Subject [bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books again - how do we submit them? 01/07/2008 11:01 AM Please respond to bksvol-discuss@fr eelists.org <http://eelists.org/> All, I have just downloaded: 1812: The Rivers of War by Eric Flint, from the Baen Free library site in unzipped RTF format. The book contains a valid copyright notice, an ISBN, specifies that this is a mass market edition--meaning it is the etext of a paperback, and it appears to sport page breaks of some kind. MS Word reports a total of 411 pages, while Kurzweil 1000 reports just under 250 pages. I suspect that the document may not use standard page breaks for pagination. If this were the case, some editors may not detect page breaks at all. Guido Guido Dante Corona IBM Research, Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) Austin Tx. Phone: 512. 838. 9735. Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.ibm.com/able ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain they were right who were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just maybe, those who questioned the most were in the end those who came closest to being wise." [David Poyer, The Command] "Dan Beaver" <dbeaver888@xxxxxxxxx> Sent by: To bksvol-discuss-bounce@freelist <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> s.org <http://s.org/> cc Subject 01/07/2008 07:59 AM [bksvol-discuss] Baen books again - how do we submit them? Please respond to bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Ok, with all this talk I am just curious about how we would go about submitting them. The Baen books I have read none of them had page breaks or page numbers and no Copyright info included. Is this something that Jim and the Bookshare staff are going to work on? To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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