[bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and Reading Accessibility

Hi Melissa!

Did you have a combo box to change the voices after following the link:

http://www.loquendo.com/en/demos/demo_tts.htm

On another page on the site, I was able to listen to the samples by hitting the link for the three I mentioned in another message, the English, Russian and Finnish voices, but not for the entire group on this page. On the page I was successful in hearing the voices, I didn't have a combo box, so didn't have to change voices, because they were all in front of me with their links. After I hit each link, I was able to get the dialog box to pop up that asked me if I wanted to open or save the file. I opened it for each of the three voices, but know, of course that I could have just as easily saved each voice sample.

Debby

At 06:02 PM 12/17/2009, Melissa Smith wrote
Debby,
I also use Window-Eyes. Here is what I did. I changed the voice, which automatically changed the text in the box. The page would refresh after I switched voices. After the page had refreshed, I pressed play. A dialog popped up, asking if I wanted to open or save the file. I chose to open it. It took a little while to download, as the files were about 1 MB. Once it ad downloaded, Windows Media Player automatically opened and played the sample text in the voice I selected.

Melissa



Debby Franson wrote:
Hi Chela!

I followed your link, which brought me to a list of all of the voices and text of what they said, but, although I followed the instructions to click on the version to hear the voice both with the enter key and routing the Window-Eyes mouse and clicking with the left mouse button hot key, nothing happened on any of the voices. I was on a different page when I heard Simon. That time, there was a link to the sample, unlike what I found on this page.

Debby

At 02:25 PM 12/15/2009, Chela Robles wrote
Hello everyone, here is a demo page of Lequendo voices they sound quite natural don't you think?
Enjoy and let me know what you all think,
http://www.loquendo.com/en/demos/demo_tts.htm

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It certainly might be indicative of a Central Auditory Processing disorder, only testing can tell for sure.

Valerie


On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Roger Loran Bailey wrote:

For those of you who know something about audio processing disorders I wonder if you can make a guess as to whether I have one. I do not have a problem understanding synthetic voices or any of the talking book narrators, but I seem to have a problem understanding a person talking when there is back ground noise. I do not necessarily mean loudness, but that is a definite problem. I mean even soft sounds like elevator music in the background. I have a very difficult time having a conversation with someone on a city sidewalk. I have to keep asking for the speaker to repeat her or himself and I have noticed that some people become annoyed with me. This is a problem I have always had and for the most part I have not thought about it being abnormal, but when no one else seems to have a problem understanding someone in the exact same environment I have sometimes wondered. The best way I can describe it is to say that it seems to me that the background noise is as important as what
I am trying to listen to and it is a conscious effort on my part to ignore it.
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Dear Monica;

Just like so many areas in health care, there are a wide range of variance in people who have auditory processing disorders. I certainly don't know what is considered typical, I just know about the spectrum they can cover. The new Acapello voices are far superior for most people. I think you will be pleased with the investment.

Unfortunately I am in no position to site I have read things as my computers are in total upheaval. I can only speak to my 2 children who were identified as having auditory processing disorders and the fact that they could not follow commands by earlier speech devices using DECtalk and I was told that that was common. I know that many individuals with auditory processing disorders could not retain information presented in SAPI 4 voices and then he still can only use some of the SAPI 5 voices. Sorry I cannot be of more help. I know more about solutions then the research behind them. Smiles.

Valerie


On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Monica Willyard wrote:

Hi Valerie. I'm probably an odd exception to the auditory processing
disorder group. I don't know what is typical, and I'm learning more about it as I go. I was only correctly diagnosed this year, as an adult. Like Nicole, I like the new Acapella voice Bookshare gives us and would love to have all of my devices and programs use that voice, especially JAWS. I'm going to buy
it for my computer as soon as I can afford it.

You mentioned that people with auditory processing disorder don't recognize TTS speech as sound. That confuses me a little. Do you have any books or web
sites you could recommend about this? If there is no information on
Bookshare, I will look for a couple of books to scan about it. I seem to be backward if this is normal. Then again, I'm blind too, so maybe normal isn't
really applicable.

I do well using specific types of speech, and there are some human readers I
can barely comprehend. My inability to understand certain readers makes
those books inaccessible for me unless I scan them for myself. That's
something champions of audiobooks probably don't really understand. I look
at the name of the narrator of a book or listen to a sample of the speech
before even considering buying it from Audible.

I like books that are in a text format so I can use a voice that I
understand clearly. I prefer Braille if I can get it. If not, I need a
fairly constant, very clear, and unaccented voice to cope with reading. When I have to use a device with a confusing voice, I use my computer to record books into mp3 files using a voice that I do understand well. Then I put my
good files on the bad device and can function well.

Knowing what I'm dealing with, and that it will benefit our deaf/blind
members as well, I usually end up scanning books I want to read from NLS
unless they have the book in WebBraille. I often end up scanning my Audible
books too, especially ones that I want to learn from or read in depth.

Monica Willyard
"The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker

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I have to agree with Judy. As a matter of fact, Nichole would never listen to a synthetic voice until the acapella voices that are now available on her
device. I don't know anyone who prefers TTS over audio books and most are
more than willing to pay for the alternative. The only people who learn to accept TTS are those who need a wider range of books or budget constraints make the other alternative unaffordable. Then there are people with auditory
processing disorders who do not even acknowledge TTS as speech as it is
processed slightly differently in the brain.

In my opinion we need to constantly be exploring and expanding all mediums
all of text accessibility and in a cooperative effort like Bookshare, I
think that everyone comes out winners. I know that even though I have a
membership now I will probably almost exclusively be a volunteer due to time
constraints, but being a member will allow me to check how certain things
are handled in the final process or view how proofreaders have handled my
scans.

Interesting dialogue everyone...
Valerie


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I view the disabling of TTS as about as silly as the digital
rights management.
<snip>
I don't know a single sighted person, other than myself, who will
willingly listen to listen to a book that they can read by
listening to it in a synthetic voice. Me? I can't afford
expensive audible downloads, and the NLS's offerings are very
limited in my tastes, so listening to books via bookshare
downloads using either DAISY or Text Aloud has become an acquired
taste, one I've become used to and actually very much enjoy.

If sighted readers were the least bit interested in hearing books
read with a synthetic voice, I suspect the market would be
flooded with that sort of book. Why? It is much cheaper for a
book publisher to produce that en masse than it is to hire a
professional reader and studio to produce the master for each and
every book that becomes an audible book.

I really doubt that sales of human-read audible books would waver
one whit if ebooks had TTS enabled. It would expand the market of
ebooks available to the sighted/disabled reader, but that's about it.

Just my opinion. Grin.

Judy s.



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