[bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and Reading Accessibility
- From: "Lynn I" <lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:06:41 -0600
Hi Debby!
I did pretty much the same thing. There is a combo box that allows you to
choose the voice you want to listen to. Below that is a (play) button. I
also just opened the file and didn't save it.
After I listened to one voice, I closed the link to (media player) and went
back into the combo box and chose another voice. There a quite a few good
ones on the site.
HTH
Blessings.
Lynnsky
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa Smith
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:02 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and Reading
Accessibility
Debby,
I also use Window-Eyes. Here is what I did. I changed the voice, which
automatically changed the text in the box. The page would refresh after I
switched voices. After the page had refreshed, I pressed play. A dialog
popped up, asking if I wanted to open or save the file. I chose to open it.
It took a little while to download, as the files were about
1 MB. Once it ad downloaded, Windows Media Player automatically opened and
played the sample text in the voice I selected.
Melissa
Debby Franson wrote:
> Hi Chela!
>
> I followed your link, which brought me to a list of all of the voices
> and text of what they said, but, although I followed the instructions
> to click on the version to hear the voice both with the enter key and
> routing the Window-Eyes mouse and clicking with the left mouse button
> hot key, nothing happened on any of the voices. I was on a different
> page when I heard Simon. That time, there was a link to the sample,
> unlike what I found on this page.
>
> Debby
>
> At 02:25 PM 12/15/2009, Chela Robles wrote
>> Hello everyone, here is a demo page of Lequendo voices they sound
>> quite natural don't you think?
>> Enjoy and let me know what you all think,
>> http://www.loquendo.com/en/demos/demo_tts.htm
>>
>> ----------------
>> "If you go without playing the trumpet for one day, no one knows, two
>> days, only you know, and more than three days without practicing,
>> girl you better look out, because everyone will know!"
>> Today, I find myself constantly saying those words, just to get
>> myself going, to not give up, and it works. Since I learned to play
>> the trumpet at the tender age of 10, I have spent so much passion and
>> much diligence with that instrument that I will not give up on it.
>> Sometimes my instrument puts me into awkward situations where I feel
>> like they won't ever end, but the trumpet gives me a lot of hope with
>> the majestic, crystal-clear sound it brings to my ears.
>> ----------------
>> Chela Robles
>> E-Mail: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx
>> MSNWindowsLive Messenger: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype: jazzytrumpet
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Maples"
>> <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:42 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and
>> Reading Accessibility
>>
>>
>>> It certainly might be indicative of a Central Auditory Processing
>>> disorder, only testing can tell for sure.
>>>
>>> Valerie
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Roger Loran Bailey wrote:
>>>
>>>> For those of you who know something about audio processing
>>>> disorders I wonder if you can make a guess as to whether I have
>>>> one. I do not have a problem understanding synthetic voices or any
>>>> of the talking book narrators, but I seem to have a problem
>>>> understanding a person talking when there is back ground noise. I
>>>> do not necessarily mean loudness, but that is a definite problem. I
>>>> mean even soft sounds like elevator music in the background. I have
>>>> a very difficult time having a conversation with someone on a city
>>>> sidewalk. I have to keep asking for the speaker to repeat her or
>>>> himself and I have noticed that some people become annoyed with me.
>>>> This is a problem I have always had and for the most part I have
>>>> not thought about it being abnormal, but when no one else seems to
>>>> have a problem understanding someone in the exact same environment
>>>> I have sometimes wondered. The best way I can describe it is to say
>>>> that it seems to me that the background noise is as important as
>>>> what
>>> I am trying to listen to and it is a conscious effort on my part to
>>> ignore it.
>>>> "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do
>>>> because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." -
>>>> Susan B. Anthony
>>>>
>>>> The Militant:
>>>> http://www.themilitant.com
>>>> Pathfinder Press:
>>>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
>>>> Granma International:
>>>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Maples"
>>>> <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:44 PM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and
>>>> Reading Accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Monica;
>>>>
>>>> Just like so many areas in health care, there are a wide range of
>>>> variance in people who have auditory processing disorders. I
>>>> certainly don't know what is considered typical, I just know about
>>>> the spectrum they can cover. The new Acapello voices are far
>>>> superior for most people. I think you will be pleased with the
>>>> investment.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately I am in no position to site I have read things as my
>>>> computers are in total upheaval. I can only speak to my 2 children
>>>> who were identified as having auditory processing disorders and the
>>>> fact that they could not follow commands by earlier speech devices
>>>> using DECtalk and I was told that that was common. I know that many
>>>> individuals with auditory processing disorders could not retain
>>>> information presented in SAPI 4 voices and then he still can only
>>>> use some of the SAPI 5 voices. Sorry I cannot be of more help. I
>>>> know more about solutions then the research behind them. Smiles.
>>>>
>>>> Valerie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Monica Willyard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Valerie. I'm probably an odd exception to the auditory
>>>>> processing disorder group. I don't know what is typical, and I'm
>>>>> learning more about it as I go. I was only correctly diagnosed
>>>>> this year, as an adult.
>>>>> Like Nicole,
>>>>> I like the new Acapella voice Bookshare gives us and would love to
>>>>> have all of my devices and programs use that voice, especially
>>>>> JAWS. I'm going to buy it for my computer as soon as I can afford
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mentioned that people with auditory processing disorder don't
>>>>> recognize TTS speech as sound. That confuses me a little. Do you
>>>>> have any books or web sites you could recommend about this? If
>>>>> there is no information on Bookshare, I will look for a couple of
>>>>> books to scan about it. I seem to be backward if this is normal.
>>>>> Then again, I'm blind too, so maybe normal isn't really
>>>>> applicable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do well using specific types of speech, and there are some human
>>>>> readers I can barely comprehend. My inability to understand
>>>>> certain readers makes those books inaccessible for me unless I
>>>>> scan them for myself. That's something champions of audiobooks
>>>>> probably don't really understand. I look at the name of the
>>>>> narrator of a book or listen to a sample of the speech before even
>>>>> considering buying it from Audible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like books that are in a text format so I can use a voice that I
>>>>> understand clearly. I prefer Braille if I can get it. If not, I
>>>>> need a fairly constant, very clear, and unaccented voice to cope
>>>>> with reading. When I have to use a device with a confusing voice,
>>>>> I use my computer to record books into mp3 files using a voice
>>>>> that I do understand well. Then I put my good files on the bad
>>>>> device and can function well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Knowing what I'm dealing with, and that it will benefit our
>>>>> deaf/blind members as well, I usually end up scanning books I want
>>>>> to read from NLS unless they have the book in WebBraille. I often
>>>>> end up scanning my Audible books too, especially ones that I want
>>>>> to learn from or read in depth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Monica Willyard
>>>>> "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter
>>>>> Drucker
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie
>>>>> Maples
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:18 PM
>>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publishers and Bookshare As a
>>>>> Library
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to agree with Judy. As a matter of fact, Nichole would
>>>>> never listen to a synthetic voice until the acapella voices that
>>>>> are now available on her device. I don't know anyone who prefers
>>>>> TTS over audio books and most are more than willing to pay for the
>>>>> alternative. The only people who learn to accept TTS are those who
>>>>> need a wider range of books or budget constraints make the other
>>>>> alternative unaffordable. Then there are people with auditory
>>>>> processing disorders who do not even acknowledge TTS as speech as
>>>>> it is processed slightly differently in the brain.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my opinion we need to constantly be exploring and expanding all
>>>>> mediums all of text accessibility and in a cooperative effort like
>>>>> Bookshare, I think that everyone comes out winners. I know that
>>>>> even though I have a membership now I will probably almost
>>>>> exclusively be a volunteer due to time constraints, but being a
>>>>> member will allow me to check how certain things are handled in
>>>>> the final process or view how proofreaders have handled my scans.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting dialogue everyone...
>>>>> Valerie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Judy s.
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:39 PM
>>>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publishers and Bookshare As a
>>>>>> Library
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I view the disabling of TTS as about as silly as the digital
>>>>>> rights management.
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> I don't know a single sighted person, other than myself, who will
>>>>>> willingly listen to listen to a book that they can read by
>>>>>> listening to it in a synthetic voice. Me? I can't afford
>>>>>> expensive audible downloads, and the NLS's offerings are very
>>>>>> limited in my tastes, so listening to books via bookshare
>>>>>> downloads using either DAISY or Text Aloud has become an acquired
>>>>>> taste, one I've become used to and actually very much enjoy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If sighted readers were the least bit interested in hearing books
>>>>>> read with a synthetic voice, I suspect the market would be
>>>>>> flooded with that sort of book. Why? It is much cheaper for a
>>>>>> book publisher to produce that en masse than it is to hire a
>>>>>> professional reader and studio to produce the master for each and
>>>>>> every book that becomes an audible book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really doubt that sales of human-read audible books would waver
>>>>>> one whit if ebooks had TTS enabled. It would expand the market of
>>>>>> ebooks available to the sighted/disabled reader, but that's about
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my opinion. Grin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy s.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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