[bksvol-discuss] Re: Accented Letters, WAS: Re: Re: Bolded words in text

  • From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:46:18 -0800

Hi, Debby, I'm used to seeing the word "adios" without the accent except if
I'm reading a book in Spanish. For the French words, the Braille display
will show the dot 4 when it is put in. Regards, Kim. 

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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Accented Letters, WAS: Re: Re: Bolded words in
text

Hi Valerie!

Your comment about foreign language words in a book got me thinking.

If the diacritical markings are not preserved by the OCR do you enter them?
I do, because I like completeness.  A word that comes to mind immediately,
because I was searching for a recipe on the web is saute or sauté.  or how
about à la carte, or adiós instead of just adios?

Braille display users, how do the words in this message with these accents
in them get displayed on the braille displays, since I have used more than
one letter with an acute, do you wonder what letter it is or are these
letters displayed correctly?

Debby

At 06:20 PM 11/7/2009, Valerie Maples wrote
>They are preserved and often helpful.  Many of the books I am proofing 
>have foreign language in italics, and that allows dyslexics and low 
>skill readers to identify them purposefully.  PLEASE retain scanned 
>bolds and italics, they usually serve a function. When I see a trend, I 
>note in my submission their purpose.  It often alerts people to not try 
>to correct when spell-shecking in those cases.
>
>Running behind, but hope it makes sense...
>
>Valerie
>
>
>On 11 07, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Bob wrote:
>
>>As far as I know, bold and italics make no difference at all. They may 
>>very well be taken out.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>?We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all of 
>>us will live on in the future we make,?
>>Senator Edward M. Kennedy
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <mailto:deniset@xxxxxxx>Denise Thompson
>>>To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:44 PM
>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>>>
>>>My question is- does it make a difference in Daisy to have text in 
>>>bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it? I've been changing the book to TN 
>>>23 and then putting the chapter in 16 because I though that's what 
>>>we've talked about doing on this list before. I use regular for both. 
>>>I was under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other types of
text atributes.
>>>So now that we're all confused as to what to do. Someone needs to 
>>>decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've 
>>>done this with have been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks 
>>>regular text is ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it keeping 
>>>changing makes it difficult for those of us doing proofing.
>>>
>>>Denise
>>>
>>>
>>>At 11:47 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:
>>>>Monica, you make a good point; however, I am sure that the request 
>>>>to change the entire text of a submission to Times Roman 12 is in the
manual.
>>>>
>>>>Like you, I always change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger 
>>>>size, but luckily I have made a note to that effect when submitting the
book.
>>>>However, it would be very easy to do all the work you mention and 
>>>>not make a note.
>>>>
>>>>I agree with the other Lori from a later message that I have changed 
>>>>the font in order to make the text more readable and also to reduce 
>>>>some very large fonts.  In future, I will check the fonts of chapter 
>>>>titles before making a universal change.
>>>>
>>>>Lori C.
>>>>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica Willyard" 
>>>><<mailto:rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: 
>>>><<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:56 PM
>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Melissa and Lori, please, please don't do this as a principle on 
>>>>>every book.
>>>>>I don't think you realize that this could do damage to someone's 
>>>>>submission.
>>>>>When I submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my 
>>>>>chapter headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and 
>>>>>the Bookshare tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face 
>>>>>or font size to tell when the chapter or scene changes in a book. 
>>>>>The current book I'm scanning uses the Arial font to indicate a 
>>>>>chapter name and log entries when the scene changes. The rest of the
text is Times New Roman.
>>>>>
>>>>>Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at the 
>>>>>bottom of the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or 
>>>>>numbers tells the Bookshare stripper that this is where a new 
>>>>>chapter or part begins. If you change the entire document to 12 
>>>>>point, you would unintentionally undo the work I spend a couple of 
>>>>>hours doing to ensure good daisy navigation for everyone. Braille 
>>>>>and blind speech users wouldn't notice. Our members with learning 
>>>>>disabilities would though, and I'm doing everything I can to make their
reading as easy and pleasurable as ours.
>>>>>
>>>>>I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like a lecture. It's not meant 
>>>>>that way. I'm pleading with you to learn about how fonts work and 
>>>>>why they matter. I used to do the same thing as you, changing mine 
>>>>>to Times New Roman as well. Then Judy and Valerie came into my life 
>>>>>and opened my eyes and heart to their needs. Since then I began 
>>>>>paying attention to the fonts in my scans before submitting them. 
>>>>>Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are correct as I strip 
>>>>>headers in my books.
>>>>>
>>>>>This isn't an absolute thing, and it's not a show-stopper in the 
>>>>>grand scheme of things. If you know for sure that the submitter 
>>>>>hasn't done any work with the fonts, changing the font probably 
>>>>>won't matter. If your screenreader won't speak the text in Word, 
>>>>>you may have to change it to 12 point as a base. In that case, will 
>>>>>you please consider taking the time to enlarge the font for chapter 
>>>>>headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that quickly by selecting 
>>>>>the chapter name or number and pressing control right bracket in 
>>>>>Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word. It will increase 
>>>>>the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you should 
>>>>>hear the font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the font 
>>>>>smaller, by the way.
>>>>>
>>>>>It does take extra time to do this. I freely admit that. If you are 
>>>>>blind like me, fonts mean very little since we can't see them. 
>>>>>Still, I know I'd want help if something was causing my Braille 
>>>>>books to read badly, so I take time to do it for others who need 
>>>>>it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Monica Willyard
>>>>>"The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter 
>>>>>Drucker
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: 
>>>>><mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss-bounce@f
>>>>>reelists.org [ mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>>>>>Behalf Of Melissa Smith
>>>>>Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM
>>>>>To: 
>>>>><mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>>>>>
>>>>>I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New Roman, 
>>>>>and 12 Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This leaves 
>>>>>any bold or italicized text the way it is. I do this in every book I
proof.
>>>>>
>>>>>Melissa
>>>>>
>>>>>
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