[bksvol-discuss] Re: Accented Letters, WAS: Re: Re: Bolded words in text

Hi Lori!

Yes, each synthesizer has it's own pronunciation quirks, just the way people do, but, if you don't like the way something is pronounced, it can be added to the exception dictionary with the spelling that gives the pronunciation that sounds most correct to the user.

Debby

At 10:02 PM 11/8/2009, Lori wrote
It is dependent on the synthesizer I believe. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.

Lori M

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Sauté  is pronounced by JFW as "Sawday" rather than saute and hope I don't
make anyone else with a screen'reader laugh hard.
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Since I have this monstrous (in several ways) travel book to scan for the wish list, I am also curious about what happens to foreign words in bookshare books. Most importantly, are accented characters preserved in the brf and DAISY files?

Are braille readers likely to recognize words with accented letters in them like sauté?

When sauté with the accent is read by a screen reader or kurzweill, is it pronounced correctly?

Misha

Debby Franson wrote:
Hi Valerie!

Your comment about foreign language words in a book got me thinking.

If the diacritical markings are not preserved by the OCR do you enter them? I do, because I like completeness. A word that comes to mind immediately, because I was searching for a recipe on the web is saute or sauté. or how about à la carte, or adiós instead of just adios?

Braille display users, how do the words in this message with these accents in them get displayed on the braille displays, since I have used more than one letter with an acute, do you wonder what letter it is or are these letters displayed correctly?

Debby

At 06:20 PM 11/7/2009, Valerie Maples wrote
They are preserved and often helpful. Many of the books I am proofing have foreign language in italics, and that allows dyslexics and low skill readers to identify them purposefully. PLEASE retain scanned bolds and italics, they usually serve a function. When I see a trend, I note in my submission their purpose. It often alerts people to not try to correct when spell-shecking in those cases.

Running behind, but hope it makes sense...

Valerie


On 11 07, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Bob wrote:

As far as I know, bold and italics make no difference at all. They may very well be taken out.

Bob

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My question is- does it make a difference in Daisy to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it? I've been changing the book to TN 23 and then putting the chapter in 16 because I though that's what we've talked about doing on this list before. I use regular for both. I was under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other types of text atributes. So now that we're all confused as to what to do. Someone needs to decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've done this with have been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks regular text is ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it keeping changing makes it difficult for those of us doing proofing.

Denise


At 11:47 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:
Monica, you make a good point; however, I am sure that the request to change the entire text of a submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual.

Like you, I always change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger size, but luckily I have made a note to that effect when submitting the book. However, it would be very easy to do all the work you mention and not make a note.

I agree with the other Lori from a later message that I have changed the font in order to make the text more readable and also to reduce some very large fonts. In future, I will check the fonts of chapter titles before making a universal change.

Lori C.
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Melissa and Lori, please, please don't do this as a principle on every book. I don't think you realize that this could do damage to someone's submission. When I submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my chapter headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and the Bookshare tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or font size to tell when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current book I'm scanning
uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and log entries when the
scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New Roman.

Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at the bottom of the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or numbers tells the Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter or part begins. If you change the entire document to 12 point, you would unintentionally undo the work I spend a couple of hours doing to ensure good daisy navigation for everyone. Braille and blind speech users wouldn't notice. Our members with learning disabilities would though, and I'm doing everything I can to make
their reading as easy and pleasurable as ours.

I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like a lecture. It's not meant that
way. I'm pleading with you to learn about how fonts work and why they
matter. I used to do the same thing as you, changing mine to Times New Roman
as well. Then Judy and Valerie came into my life and opened my eyes and
heart to their needs. Since then I began paying attention to the fonts in my scans before submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are
correct as I strip headers in my books.

This isn't an absolute thing, and it's not a show-stopper in the grand
scheme of things. If you know for sure that the submitter hasn't done any
work with the fonts, changing the font probably won't matter. If your
screenreader won't speak the text in Word, you may have to change it to 12 point as a base. In that case, will you please consider taking the time to enlarge the font for chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that quickly by selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control right bracket in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word. It will increase the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you should hear the font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the font smaller, by the
way.

It does take extra time to do this. I freely admit that. If you are blind like me, fonts mean very little since we can't see them. Still, I know I'd want help if something was causing my Braille books to read badly, so I take
time to do it for others who need it.

Monica Willyard
"The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker

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I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New Roman, and 12 Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This leaves any bold or
italicized text the way it is. I do this in every book I proof.

Melissa


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