[bksvol-discuss] Re: A Plan for More Work (was Acdcent Marks)

  • From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 19:34:49 -0500

Hi Cindy,

I've been scanning for a year, but I'm planning to speed things up.  And I 
didn't just mean proofreaders should work with me, though I'm always open to a 
good idea.  I think we all need to form partnerships and put everyone to work 
who wants to work!

I have a suggestion for Bookshare staff, too.  it would be useful to have on 
the volunteer page lists of proofers and lists of scanners, with people who do 
both listed in both lists.  It might also be useful to list separately 
volunteers who have access to and are interested in locating books not already 
in the collection.  And of course the image describers.  

Sorry, I was known in my job as a detail person (not always fondly).  I just 
think these things could help all volunteers, no matter how much time we have 
to devote, work efficiently and well.

Sandi

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cindy 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 1:59 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A Plan for More Work (was Acdcent Marks)


  Sandi, I'm delighted to hear that you're going to be scanning! That seems to 
be where the need is at the moment. big smile




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    From: Kim Friedman <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 11:42 AM
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A Plan for More Work (was Acdcent Marks)


    Hi, Jackie, I feel I'm getting more contacts so I'll have something to
    read to keep me out of mischief. I prefer proofreading fiction myself
    because I don't have an Optacon which might allow me to check for
    accuracy and as I said I read every word in a book and of course I like
    to correspond with the submitter in case I have questions. Regards, Kim
    Friedman.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ixchel, Jackie
    Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:46 AM
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A Plan for More Work (was Acdcent Marks)


    Hi,
    I would also like to proof for whoever needs it. I like reading mystery,
    fantacy, fiction and historical fiction. I like reading a lot and
    sometimes I am a little OCD when I proof. :) Now that summer is coming I
    will have a lot of time to proof! This helps me both read and acquire
    credits so that later I can donate them since I won't need them for a
    while. Jackie

    On 6/3/12, Kim Friedman <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
    > Hi, Sandi, well I like to proofread fiction with the exception of 
    > horror. I've read some science fiction, I've done some anthologies 
    > (three), and I seem to be in a historical fiction or historical 
    > mystery niche right now. I like mysteries, fantasy, romance, etc. I 
    > wouldn't mind doing something which makes me laugh. I don't think I'd 
    > want to do something horribly violent (especially if it's gratuitous).

    > As for language, I don't like to use strong language, but if I find 
    > strong language in a book (you know the words) I will proofread what's

    > there. With regard to non-fiction, I can't say I've done much of that,

    > that is, textbooks, books with charts and tables, etc. I haven't done 
    > poetry or cookbooks (this last would be really hard because I wouldn't

    > be able to check for accuracy. As for my procedure, if I proofread a 
    > book for you, you can count on me reading every word and also 
    > corresponding with you should I have text questions. I don't have your

    > email address but I wouldn't mind doing stuff for you if I found it 
    > interesting. If you wish to judge what I've done, you can find some 
    > stuff I have proofread and give it a look. Regards, Kim Friedman.
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
    > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:05 AM
    > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A Plan for More Work (was Acdcent Marks)
    >
    >
    > Hi Everyone,
    >
    > I just saw Lissi's great e-mail on more work for everyone, and here's 
    > a plan I think could work for that:
    >
    > When I came on board a year ago, I thought I was going to be a 
    > proofer. I mean, I'm blind, and that seemed like the best way for a 
    > blind person to go.
    > However, I immediately met Valerie Maples and Lissi, and they
    encouraged
    > me
    > to try scanning.  Well, that made sense to me, because I'd been
    scanning
    >
    > books for nearly as long as scanners had been accessible.  I 
    > determined,
    >
    > since I love scanning, to be one of Bookshare's best scanners, and to 
    > work with proofreaders who actually read the books I scanned and would

    > put the
    > very best book possible into the collection.
    >
    > The way I've gotten enough work to keep me busy is to tell Valerie and

    > Lissi when I'm running short, and to let the list know that I have a 
    > library card
    > from my local library which gives me access to books throughout the
    > country.
    > Each one costs $1, which I gladly pay for the privilege of scanning it
    > into
    > the Bookshare collection.  I turn in only Excellent scans, so even a
    new
    >
    > proofreader should be able to read through the book and make only a 
    > few changes.  I do insist that you read the entire book, though.
    >
    > The other thing proofreaders and potential proofreaders can do to help

    > expand the list are the things Lissi and Valerie have done--research 
    > books. Find those you'd like to proof that aren't in the collection, 
    > and let a scanner know you're interested.  But when you want a book 
    > scannd, we need to
    > know the exact title, exact author's name, ISBN, and publication date.
    > That
    > saves ever so much research time for us.  We'll scan faster if you
    find
    > and
    > send us copies of the books--but if you can't--I know many of us are
    > working
    > with zero budgets--let us get them from ILL or some other means--then
    > we're
    > working together.  I have come up with maybe ten books to scan, but I
    > work
    > with wonderful proofers who are constantly looking for books for me to
    > scan.
    >
    > Let's all team up and put lots of really good volunteer books in the 
    > collection.  When you see a HOLD, respect it.  When you find a book 
    > you'd like, put it on the wish list, or contact someone you know scans

    > and ask
    >
    > them to scan it and have you proof it.  Then you'll have your own 
    > holds.
    >
    > There are plenty of books in the world to be done by volunteers.  But 
    > everyone needs to take an active role in locating, scanning and 
    > proofreading.  Find your niche, and work as hard as you choose.  And 
    > welcome aboard to new people.  I'm amazed at how wonderful this job 
    > still is more
    > than a year down the road!
    >
    > Sandi
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:18 PM
    > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Accent marks
    >
    >
    >> Dear Kim and Booksharian Friends,
    >>
    >> Kim, Since I'm reading this thread out of order, you may have already

    >> had this suggestion. To produce an I umlaut I delete the i, and press

    >> the control and shift down together. As I hold them, I type the colon

    >> Then
    >
    >> release all three keys and type i. when you backspace your
    > screenreader
    >> should say i umlaut. This is with Word 2003. Soon I'll have to make
    > the
    >> leap to a more updated word, oh dread!
    >>
    >> Good luck!
    >>
    >> Many thanks to Sandi, and to those of you who advised her about how 
    >> to
    >
    >> get
    >> Strawberry Season back for me. Thank you to the volunteer, too, who 
    >> released it. I've proofed Books one and two in this wonderful trilogy
    > and
    >> had bought books for Sandi to scan and for me to proof the third 
    >> book.
    >
    >> I'll be getting on it tomorrow once I've checked in Mr. Monk on
    > Patrol,
    >> from a wonderful scan done by Jamie. Just 30 pages to go.
    >>
    >> Bookshare has the Monk novels and they are laugh out loud funny. I 
    >> hope many of you will give them a try. They'll brighten your reading
    > landscape.
    >> Jamie has been consistently faithful seeing that they have been added
    > to
    >> the collection. She's a marvel of generosity, scanning many books and

    >> putting holds on the ones she knows some of us care deeply about.
    >>
    >> As for Island Wife, The Wind From the Hills and The Strawberry 
    >> Season,
    >
    >> by
    >> Jessica Sterling, they are fabulous historical romances with deep 
    >> character study and very concerned with family dynamics set in the 
    >> Scottish Hebrides near the end of the nineteenth century. They are 
    >> intelligently written and the type of series you can lose yourself 
    >> in.
    >
    >> They are not formulaic, pot boiler, cookie cutter romances. The
    > transcend
    >> the genre in general.
    >>
    >> I fear we have a shortage of scanners. It takes much more work 
    >> tracking down books that aren't in the collection yet, and we all 
    >> have to be willing to do the work knowing it may be replaced by PQ 
    >> versions of
    > our
    >> books, but I love the process of making a proof as error free as I
    > can,
    >> love the reading of the book as I proof and therefore still feel my 
    >> efforts were worthwhile even when a book I've worked on is replaced, 
    >> though occasionally, the volunteer copy has better navigation and
    > other
    >> perks for Bookshare readers than the PQ books.
    >>
    >> I've never seen the check out list as short as it is now. Is it 
    >> because Bookshare is emphasizing textbooks and working harder at 
    >> training volunteers who can describe graphics? Since we blind readers

    >> were so active in helping Bookshare during its start up years, it's 
    >> sad to see
    > our
    >> role diminishing.
    >>
    >> Since I love hunting down books to add, there is no shortage for Evan

    >> to scan for me to proof as well as for other generous scanners to 
    >> scan.
    >>
    >> If there is interest, I have about 20 books I'll be happy to give to 
    >> anyone who has the time to scan them in the next month or so. I don't
    > want
    >> to proof them and don't want them returned. I'd just love to see them
    > in
    >> the collection and if there are willing scanners, their presence 
    >> could
    >
    >> plump up the check out page a little.
    >>
    >> Let me know if there's an interest and I'll post a list. I sure would

    >> like to get them out of this book clogged room.
    >>
    >> I also have a box of mostly lighthearted books with graphics that I 
    >> don't feel equal to the task of describing. if There's an interest in

    >> those,
    >
    >> I'll post that list,
    >> too.  I just don't want to overwhelm anyone with more scanning than
    > they
    >> have time for, something I've accidentally done before.
    >>
    >> Keep up the good work, all of you. I remain glad to be in your 
    >> company.
    >>
    >> Always with love,
    >>
    >> Lissi
    >>
    >> Always with love,
    >>
    >> Lissi
    >>
    >> ----- Original Message -----
    >> From: "misha" <mishatronics@xxxxxxxxx>
    >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    >> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:07 PM
    >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Accent marks
    >>
    >>
    >>> Those sneaky French.  According to this web page
    >>>
    >>> http://french.lovetoknow.com/French_Accent_Marks
    >>>
    >>> They do have umlauts (though usually called trema when it is used in

    >>> French words).  I say sneaky because, I always thought naive used an

    >>> acute accent, but the table on the web page clearly uses naive as an

    >>> example of umlaut accent and it clearly fits the case of pronouncing
    > each
    >>> vowel separately.  I still think in most American books an acute
    > accent
    >>> is almost always used for naive when it occurs in an English
    > sentence.
    >>> Now if it's in a French quote, I guess it better be the trema or the

    >>> gendarmes will be on the way.
    >>>
    >>> I can't help much with how to produce it, though.  In MS Word under 
    >>> insert there is a symbols item which brings up a table of all kinds
    > of
    >>> different characters, but it's hard enough for me to find what I 
    >>> want
    > in
    >>> there (which is why I don't have any of them is this email), much
    > less
    >>> how a blind person would.
    >>>
    >>> Misha
    >>>
    >>> On 6/2/2012 6:25 PM, Kim Friedman wrote:
    >>>> Hi, Cindy I think it's another word for that umlaut-like mark. I 
    >>>> found the word on a site where it was talking about French accent 
    >>>> marks
    > (they
    >>>> do seem to have a lot of them). Regards, Kim. -----Original 
    >>>> Message-----
    >>>> *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    >>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Cindy
    >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:02 PM
    >>>> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    >>>> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Accent marks
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm curious. What is traemma?
    >>>> (the answer to your question, though, is umlaut.smile
    >>>>
    >>>>
    > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    > --
    >>>>    *From:* Kim Friedman <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
    >>>>    *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    >>>>    *Sent:* Saturday, June 2, 2012 6:16 AM
    >>>>    *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Accent marks
    >>>>
    >>>>    Hi, Ali, what sort of accent mark is alt 0237? Is it that I 
    >>>> umlaut or
    >>>>    traemma I want? Please write back and let me know. Regards, Kim
    >>>>    Friedman.
    >>>>
    >>>>    -----Original Message-----
    >>>>    From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    >>>>    <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    >>>>    [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    >>>>    <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Ali
    >>>>    Al-hajamy
    >>>>    Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:11 PM
    >>>>    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    >>>> <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    >>>>    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Accent marks
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>    If your computer has a number pad, make sure numlock is turned
    > on.
    >>>>    Hold
    >>>>    down the alt key, and press the following numbers: 0237.
    >>>>    See also: 
    >>>> http://usefulshortcuts.com/alt-codes/accents-alt-codes.php
    >>>>
    >>>>    On 02-Jun-12 01:01, Kim Friedman wrote:
    >>>>    > How does one make the accent mark on the computer for the I 
    >>>> in
    > the
    >>>>    > word naive? I know how it's done for literary Braille, but I 
    >>>> have no
    >>>>    > idea how it's supposed to be printed. I could sure use help
    > with
    >>>>    this.
    >>>>
    >>>>    > Regards, Kim Friedman.
    >>>>    >
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