Very interested. Never could get my head around fixing these
issues. Please send along templates for problem solving with
returns. Make sure please not to remove the returns surrounding our
precious page numbers and chapter words "chapter" and numbers.
E.
At 06:42 PM 3/28/2006, you wrote:
Grace,
Based on her message, I'd guess that Elizabeth is referring to the Hard Returns that OCR software sometimes puts at the end of lines. I'm not sure if this is caused by a setting for maintaining the text as it appears in the book or if the software is confusing the amount of whitespace between lines to mean that each line is a separate paragraph when it's actually not.
No matter what the cause is, the resulting scan contains a Hard Return at the end of each line. By Hard Return I mean the character that Word refers to as a Paragraph Marker and other software refers to as a Newline character (\n or /n). In any case, the character is the ASCII character 13.
It's easy to spot this problem with speech because skimming by paragraph doesn't work properly. For example, hitting the Right Shift key when reading with Say All in JAWS while the Say All option is set to Paragraph will only skip to the next line, not the next paragraph as it appears in the text since the Hard Return specifies that the character following the Hard Return in the file begins a new paragraph.
Another way to tell in most software packages if the Hard Return is present is by using Ctrl-Up and Ctrl-Down to navigate the document. This normally moves you to the beginning of a paragraph in the direction specified by the Up and Down arrows.
Another way to locate the problem in Word is to remove whitespace at the end of lines by replacing ^w^p with ^p then doing a search for ^$^p or ,^p (Comma^p). This won't locate them all but it will find most, if not all, of the lines with this issue. the first will find paragraphs which end a letter, and the second will find paragraphs which end in a comma. I like to do this search when validating a book because there's always a few instances where a paragraph has a Hard Return in the middle of it.
Also, if the problem occurs at the end of every line, and paragraphs can be identified by either a blank line between them or a tab or spaces at the beginning, then some careful global finds and replaces can often fix the problem.
I believe I have the steps written down for Word in a previous message if anyone is interested along with a message which Kelly wrote describing how to fix the problem using K-1000 or a BN.
I agree with E that this issue is very annoying to those of us who like to skim favorite books using speech, but I don't know that I would mark the quality lower if this is the only problem.
HTH
Gerald
-----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Silvara Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:32 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A Breath of Cold and Ashes
E:
This will sound stupid, but can you explain what you mean by line feeds? And if you're using speech to read how do you know if they're there?
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>I have no idea. How do so many books get rated as excellent and prove not >to be. I do not excellent takes into account extra hard returns which do >not appear at the ends of sentences but are put in at ends of lines. Makes
>stuff messy for folks who download but do not validate and makes bookshare >come across as creating shoddy stuff. > > E. > At 11:19 AM 3/28/2006, you wrote: > >>First of all, I want to thank everyone who uses their time and talent to >>scan and prepare the books for us to read. >> >>My question is if there is such a problem with the book scan, then how >>did it get to the actual reading list with such an excellent rating? >> >> >>A Breath of Snow and Ashes >>by >>Diana Gabaldon >>Quality: >>Excellent, almost no errors. >>Language: >>English >>Synopsis: >>The sixth Outlander novel follows Jamie Fraser and his time-traveling wife
>>Claire in their heart-stopping adventures. >>Copyright Date: >>2005 >>Available Formats: >>BRF DAISY >>Membership required for download (Copyrighted) >> >>do people still go over the books that have been posted to the read-me >>download site? I am confused. Please help. >> >>Nancy >> >> >> >>At 12:18 AM 3/28/2006, E. wrote: >> >>>Someone with the print copy may want to figure out how to fix up this >>>book. What a shame it has so many linefeeds and errors and was scanned >>>so recently too!!! >> >>To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >>bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list >>of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. >> > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list > of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. > >
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