[bcab] Re: hal/supernova

Dear Nick, i am due to get V9 of Hal next week, and was wondering if I could contact yo if i get into difficulty, I am a novice really and could do with some support with Hal as the tutotial will not be accompaning the upgrade, which I find a bit odd ot say the least, so if there is something that i need help with can I call you about it? you certainly helped me some of the shortcut keys which i didn't know about 
kind regards
from
jane
----- Original Message ----- From: <Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova



Hi Steve.

I can verify that this has worked as Ian and I have described since
version 3 of hal write up to version 8, and if it doesn't work on
version 9 you'll be able to knock me over with a feather.

Cheers.
Nick.


-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 08 March 2008 13:12
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova

Hi Ian,

Doesn't happen for me.  What version of Hal do you have?

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Ians subs
Sent: Saturday 8 March 2008 11:48
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova

Hi Catherine,
Thanks for your corroboration. :)
But you don't even need to hit space on the first file.
As soon as you've arrowed to the first file you are interested in, hold
down
control and arrow to the next file you want, then hit space, continue to
hold down control and arrow to the next file, hit space,  and so on.
As soon as you've selected all the files you require, release control
and
activate the action you require, e.g. move, copy, delete, or whatever.

As you say, there is no conflict ... Only in Steve's mind. ;)

No hard feelings meant Steve. :) Only ensuring that correct information
is
disseminated.

Kind regards, Ian.
-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
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Of catherineturner2007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 08 March 2008 09:45
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova


Hi,

I haven't done this with Hal running lately  but used to, and the way
I've
always selected files (with Hal and JAWS) is arrow to the first one I
want
and press space; then hold control while arrowing to the next one I
want,
release and press space again and so on until I get all I want.  Hal
didn't
interfere with this when I used it and from what people are saying here
it
doesn't now.  So it seems there are two ways of selecting multiple
files
using the keyboard, one of which Hal interferes with and one it doesn't.
I
wouldn't call this a conflict.

Catherine

On 3/8/08, Steve Nutt <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Ian,

You must have redefined the control panel hotkey then.  It is
control-space by default.  You probably did it and forgot about it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Ians subs
Sent: Friday 7 March 2008 20:17
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova

RUBBISH !!!!
I am running Hal all the time at home and in the office and use this
facility all the time.

Catch up boy! :)

Kind regards, Ian.

-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 07 March 2008 20:08
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova


Hi Ian,

Not if Hal is loaded you don't.  It will pop up the Hal control panel
as I said.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Ians subs
Sent: Friday 7 March 2008 20:03
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova

You don't need to release control at all. You just continue to hold
down control and press space for the subsequent files you require.

Regards, Ian.

-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 07 March 2008 19:29
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova


Hi Nick,

What rubbish.  No conflict?  If you press control-space when Hal is
not running, then Windows will select a file non-contiguously.  This
is a known shortcut in Windows.  With Hal running, it brings up the
Hal control panel. So how is that not a conflict?  Stop defending it,
it is definitely the fourth best screen reader of a pile.
Window-Eyes, JAWS, System Access, then Hal.  Actually though, there is



a workaround for this Hal stupidity, just select the file you want
with control held down, release it, then press space, then immediately



press control again to select more files.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday 5 March 2008 12:53
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova

Hi Leon.

As I said to Steve the learning curve on Hal is quite steep. The
reason for this is that HAL is incredibly powerful. As to your points
I can only guess the reasons but: For the search feature in IE for
Hal, one of the HAL principles is that there should be a clear
difference between the functionality provided by the screen reader and



that provided by the application being used. If HAL was to take over
the control F key word like Jaws does this would actually be modifying



the way the application (IE) behaved. And actually the heading keys
are logical in terms of the Hal Set. The keyboard short cuts are
designed for normal keyboards in terms of the six pack of keys being
ins, home and pg up on the top of the six pac and del, end and pg down



on the bottom. With this in mind dolphin modifier and ins and del do
make a strange sort of sense. In terms of the control space
combination there is know conflict. its another example of Hal letting



windows do its thing. If you were using a mouse you would highlight a
file by single clicking and then holding control and single clicking
the next item you want to select. This is exactly how Windows does
keyboard multi selecting, (Use the arrows to find the first file you
want to select, hold control and move to the next and then hit space
to do the select.) The control space combination to bring up the
dolphin control panel has to be pushed in sequence control and then
space with out any other keys in-between. If that courses a problem
then it could always be changed  from the control panel..

As to having the manual while doing the course, Because of Hals
learning curve you really have to use Hal for a few weeks as your only



screen reader to truly understand the way it works in the same way you



have to do with jaws or window eyes, My guess is Hal isn't your main
screen reader so you've not had the experience of going up that
learning curve. I'd probably have the same problem if I was trying to
do some stuff in Window Eyes as I've never used it.

Cheers.
nick.


-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of editor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 05 March 2008 09:39
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova

Hi Nick, as someone who has taught classes to users of several
different screen reader programmes simultaneously, I actually found
that Hal was the least logical when it came to internet browsing. For
example, how can you compare the headings navigation, in both Jaws and



Windoweyes pressing H or Shift H, takes you to the next or previous
available heading, whereas in Hal it is Caps lock + delete for next
heading, or Caps lock + insert, for previous.

Also the page find, had me digging into the HAL manual.  I don't
understand why any screen reader needs to add a "find on this page"
command of it's own when there is one already built in to internet
explorer.  But at least when they do, for Jaws and Windoweyes CTRL F
for

find, then F3 for

find next, which are standard windows shortcuts, work.   Whereas in

Hal

it is F3 to find, then F2 to
find previous or F4 to find next.   Not only is that not standard to
Windows itself, but those
keystrokes actually clash with some native windows shortcuts, and my
Hal using student had a nightmare, compared to the Jaws and Wineyes
users doing a web page information finding exercise, as a result.

In fact there were several occasions when he had to use the bypass key



because of Hal shortcut & Windows shortcut clashes.  For example, an
all time classic has to be the required shortcut
CTRL+Spacebar for the HAL control panel.   CTRL+Spacebar is needed in
windows basic file management,
to select files from within a list!

Just relating some first hand experience here, but literally this guy
would not have not been able to complete his course, without my having



had a copy of the Hal manual on standby to look such things up.

Leon Gilbert
Editor, www.vipnews.org.uk

Winner, "IT4communities Best Accessible IT project" 2007, for online
screen reader training classes with The Accessible Friends Network.

The Accessible Friends Network (TAFN) is a registered charity, No,
1108043. We currently offer accessible live stereo voice conferencing,



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----- Original Message -----
From: <Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:53 AM
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova


Hi Steve.

I take your points, I will happily admit that Hal is the less advanced



of the 3 big players on the web. You also have a point that initially
Hals keystrokes aren't logical however once you get used to them they
actually make more sense. this is because many of the keystrokes are
common for all applications, (thinking custom ones here), This is one
of the things which annoys me about Jaws, each script writer picks
there keystrokes which then often aren't common across applications.
In terms of the focuses point, It's just a terminology thing. Live
focus is the same as PC in jaws, Virtual focus is equivalent to the
Jaws Focus and area virtual focus is just a way of the map writer
being able to restrict the virtual focus to a particular frame on the
screen. If you don't want to be restricted just hit control tab.

One of the points I often make about hal is that it's quite a steep
learning curve and really to truly start getting on with it and
understanding how it works you do need to spend a few weeks using it
as your only screen reader.

As for why I have supernova rather than hal, When my company were
pricing up the various options they wanted the flexibility encase
other VI people were employed. At some point I'm going to have to
convince them that it's time to upgrade.

Cheers.
Nick.

-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 02 March 2008 17:18
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova

Hi Nick,

I don't know.  I do know though that a friend of mine who was thinking



of upgrading to 8 from 7.03 was put off it by dolphin themselves, as
she didn't have Vista.  So the improvements are really only any good
for Vista users I reckon.  I have 7.03 of Hal, and it is pretty good,
but it still has major issues on the web, such as Flash pages.
Window-Eyes runs rings round it on the web.

I really don't like Hal's wacky keystrokes though, they bear no
semblance of logic.  That's my biggest criticism of Hal.  You also
still can't easily walk through multilevel headings with it on the
web.  They are still pretty behind with basic screen reading on the
web certainly.  It works reasonably well with Sage Line 50, which JAWS



won't really touch, but Window-Eyes works better than Hal with it,
even though Hal has a map for it, and Window-Eyes doesn't.  Then
there's live focus, virtual focus, area virtual focus, and all that
cluttered up rubbish.

So although I know you are a fan of Hal/Supernova, I still can't share



your enthusiasm, even though I have it for training purposes.

Out of interest, how come you have Supernova, if you have no useful
vision? Wouldn't Hal do?

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday 28 February 2008 16:34
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova

Hi Steve.

I know this was true when version 8 came out but there has been two
minor updates and we're now at version 8.3. Did Dolphin pring out new
versions of version 7? I've not heard they did and from all the
reports I here version 8.3 is very good.

Cheers.
Nick.


-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 27 February 2008 08:32
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova

Hi Jane,

There is no real difference to Hal version 8 on the Internet.  The
only difference is that it works with Vista.  In other words, if you
have Version 7, there is no need to update, unless you are moving to
Vista.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jane Sellers
Sent: Wednesday 27 February 2008 08:12
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova

dear Joe,
I am a user of Hal, and i find that version 7 is very good on the web
and you have a applications key you can use and a building list with
caps lock and 1 which makes life very much easier, but i believe, that



Jonathan Fisher, who you do know, as you helped him out as he is with
Demon, is about to get the new improved version of Hal, so he will
send you another message when he is up and running, apparently the new



version of Hal, is supposed to be better and it does support vista and



is better on the internet, making it easier for the end user. I hope
that this helps. Perhaps you will let us know your findings on this
list, once they have been compiled. all the best from Jane Sellers
----- Original Message -----
From: "joe paton" <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:31 AM
Subject: [bcab] hal/supernova


> Morning all.
>
> I would like to hear from hal or supernova users to try and
> establish how effective these screen readers are specifically on the



> world wide
web.
> Which version of IE, and or firefox work best with hal/supernova.
> Are

> their sites which pose access issues which can be successfully
> accessed using other access technologies?
>
>
> Rather than burden the list with this, perhapse you might e-mail me
> off list i'll leav it up to you.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Joe Paton
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