[bcab] Re: hal/supernova

Hi Leon,

I have to say though that JAWS is pretty rubbish with flash-based sites,
compared to Window-Eyes and System Access.  JAWS, the best on the web?  I
don't think so, not any more.

All the best

Steve 

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Sent: Tuesday 26 February 2008 12:57
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Subject: [bcab] Re: hal/supernova

hi Joe, you mentioned supernova/Hal, well the first one gives you combined
magnification and speech which is very useful for people with low vision.

Purely on the speech side, and navigating complex web pages from the
keyboard, I don't think anything beats Jaws.  It has shortcuts for finding
just about every type of control or page element that exists, and a number
of great list utilities that can make accessing information on web pages a
breeze.

Re: browsers I find Firefox the most usable browser, especially for RSS,
with IE6 having a slight edge on IE7 for ease of use. e.g. with IE6, with
one pres of the tab key from the address bar you 
are on the first link of any given page.   And also in IE6 doing maintenance
tasks such as clearing 
history & temporary internet files, takes less keystrokes, and there are no
multi-tabs, or phishing filter etc to worry about, making it simpler.

Coming back to Hal, it can navigate most of the elements that Jaws can, but
some of the keyboard shortcuts required to do so are not as user friendly as
the Jaws ones, in my view.

Of course it would help if more pages were more accessible in the first
place!

HTH - Leon Gilbert
Editor, www.vipnews.org.uk
(2007 archive complete, 2008 links started & new developments on way!)



----- Original Message -----
From: "joe paton" <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:31 AM
Subject: [bcab] hal/supernova


Morning all.

I would like to hear from hal or supernova users to try and establish
how effective these screen readers are specifically on the world wide
web.  Which version of IE, and or firefox work best with
hal/supernova.  Are their sites which pose access issues which can be
successfully accessed using other access technologies?


Rather than burden the list with this, perhapse you might e-mail me
off list i'll leav it up to you.

Many thanks,

Joe Paton


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