[bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos

Hi Dave,

Yes, it does exist.

I posted this before on here, so listen up, and I apologise to everyone else
<Smile>.

Go into Verbosity.

Go down to Miscellaneous.

Tab four times, to include listview headers, and set this to the top radio
button, which is don't include listview headers.

OK out of Verbosity, and save your set file.

Be sure to have the calendar dialogue in focus before you do this, and it
will save it set specific, just for the calendar dialogue.

Job done.

All the best
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-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Dave Taylor
Sent: 31 October 2006 20:21
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos

Hi,

I checked through the verbosity, and there doesn't seem to be a way to stop
it telling me that the next thing it is going to say is the date, etc. If
it's possible, they haven't explained themselves very well.  It was me that
convinced RNIB of Outlook's accessibility right back in the year 2000. Even
then, Jaws did a reasonable job of working in the calendar if you did a bit
of messing about with views, and now it is much better. In my view, Window
Eyes's support for Outlook is about where Jaws was a couple of years ago. 
They have, however, caught up with Jaws in very many other ways, and it
always has been more stable.

If I were starting out right now and needed to use Outlook, Jaws would still
win, hands down, and for using XP Home, Jaws still wins out overall, but I
presume Jaws Standard won't be the one that we need for Vista!

Cheers
Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Hartgen" <Brian.Hartgen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos


> Hi Dave
>
> I wrote a lengthy message to the Access UK list about my impressions of
> Window-Eyes 6.0 public beta one, and one of the things I talked about in
> there was the usability of the calendar using the "special" Window-Eyes
> interface.  In particular, I mentioned the chattiness within the
> interface in respect of navigating appointments.
>
> Steve Nutt very usefully replied to the effect that you can reduce this
> extra speech within the verbosity, but I have not had the opportunity to
> try it yet.
>
> I am glad you like the JAWS functionality of the calendar though, as I
> can say I had a reasonable amount to do with its implementation and
> functionality as of JAWS 6.0 when the support was significantly improved
> upon.  From an employment perspective, two of the things which often get
> overlooked with JAWS are that:
> A. You can press a keystroke to get the status of all the possible
> atendees of a potential meeting when it is being created.  I do not know
> if window-eyes can do that but I am sure Steve will let us know.
> B. You can view two calendars at once, such as a shared calendar on an
> exchange server and a local calendar.  This is very useful for
> comparison purposes.  I cannot test this with window-eyes because when I
> press the hot key to invoke their special interface in the shared
> calendar, I get informed I am not in the calendar.  But even so, this
> would require two instances of the custom built dialog open at once and
> I am not sure if that is possible.
>
> Brian Hartgen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Dave Taylor
> Sent: 31 October 2006 12:01
> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>
> Hi,
>
> In Jaws I can very quickly browse through each individual appointment
> without having lots of extraneous speech, or I can move by day etc. In
> the WE interface, I find you have to hear an awful lot before you can
> get through all the information, and I can't find any way of changing
> the verbosity in there. I find the Outlook views so customisable that I
> can get whatever interface I want really quickly. I agree though, it
> really is what you're used to.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:19 AM
> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Sounds like you haven't thoroughly learned the WE calendar
> application.
>> It
>> is more efficient, because you can set your appointments by day, week,
>
>> work
>> week, month, or even year, which I believe you can't even do in
> Outlook,
>> setting the range to year I mean.  Also, the radio button stays where
> you
>> left it, so if your favourite is day, then put the radio button there,
> and
>> it will be remembered.
>>
>> I think it is what you are used to with JAWS.  But the problem with
> the
>> Outlook calendar itself, is there is almost no MSAA information that
> any
>> screen reader can grab hold of.  So in this instance, I am happy with
> the
>> WE
>> interface.
>>
>> By the way, it is not a WE calendar, it is only giving you an
> interface to
>> the Outlook calendar, so of course, you have to have Outlook running,
> for
>> WE
>> to get the data.
>>
>> Personally, in my business day to day use, I think it is the best
>> interface
>> to the Outlook calendar bar none, but that's just me.  I think this
> simply
>> because with any other screen reader, you have to make sure you are in
> the
>> right view of the calendar before you get relevant information,
> whereas a
>> quick Insert-C gives me what I want.
>>
>> All the best
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Dave Taylor
>> Sent: 30 October 2006 19:41
>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't like the calendar application. I don't like the idea of having
> to
>> use a separate application and I don't like that you have to both
> start
>> Outlook and the WE Calendar application.  I also do like a flexibility
> on
>> how I view appointments. I don't like browsing each day to be told how
>
>> many
>> appointments I have, I just want to cut straight to the chase and her
> the
>> next appointment. Yes, it's usable, but it really isn't as efficient
> as
>> the
>> shark,key.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:26 PM
>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> What are you saying here?  Are you saying Outlook 2003 is Wineyes'
> major
>>> downfall?  I use it all day, every day.  What problems are you
> having?
>>>
>>> All the best
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>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Dave Taylor
>>> Sent: 30 October 2006 17:35
>>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>
>>> Hi, I found Viavoice to be much more like Jaws Eloquence than is
> Wineyes
>>> Eloquence! It's very weird, I put Viavoice on in preference because I
>>> prefered it.
>>>
>>> Now I've only had a very quick look so far, but Wineyes is definitely
>>> competitive now, and I'm a well known Jaws fan.  I've had a quick
> play in
>>> Word, Excell, MSN, on the internet and in Outlook 2003, which was its
>
>>> only
>>> major downfall so far!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:57 PM
>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Interesting.  I have both WE and JFW on my system here, and there
> really
>>>> is
>>>> no difference in the two Eloquences.  Are you sure that you don't
> have
>>>> Viavoice selected?  That to me is truly horrible.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>> --
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>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Dave Taylor
>>>> Sent: 30 October 2006 16:50
>>>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>>
>>>> Hi, The Wineyes version of Eloquence has very cut down sound
> compared to
>>>> others. It shoundsh like itch hash a shlur! that'sh all!
>>>>
>>>> Cheersh
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:43 PM
>>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> Go on then, I'll bite.  What's wrong with their version of
> Eloquence?
>>>>> At
>>>>> least it is not locked to Window-Eyes only, but the JAWS one is
> locked
>>>>> to
>>>>> JAWS only.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will investigate the demo restriction you speak of.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Email:  mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Dave Taylor
>>>>> Sent: 30 October 2006 15:49
>>>>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, I have indeed tried to change it. I've hit enter to get the
>>>>> dialogue
>>>>> box
>>>>> and all that happens is the menu closes! It's true in both versions
> as
>>>>> I've
>>>>> just tried 6.0 as well.  I hate their version of eloquence too!
> Thank
>>>>> god
>>>>> I've got viavoice on here!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:31 PM
>>>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you sure that the demo is locked in beginner mode?  Have you
> tried
>>>>>> changing it in the Global menu?  I will check this out with GW
> Micro
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Computer Room Services:  the long cane for blind computer users.
>>>>>> Telephone Low-call:  08452 606 277
>>>>>> International:  +44(0)1438 742286,
>>>>>> Fax:  +44(0)1438 759589
>>>>>> mobile:  +44(0)7956 334938,
>>>>>> Email:  mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Web site:  http://www.comproom.co.uk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Dave Taylor
>>>>>> Sent: 30 October 2006 14:53
>>>>>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [bcab] Wineyes Demos
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, a bit of playing around with what is supposed to be a fully
>>>>>> featured
>>>>>> demo reveals that it isn't! To get to most of the options, you
> have to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> advanced mode, and the demo is locked in beginner mode! Oh well!
> It
>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>> just FS is it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
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