[bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos

Steve and Brian,

This feature did not work on my work system either. The F6 seemed to have no
effect at all.

When I went on to schedule a meeting for several people Outlook 2003 crashed

I have reported this to GW Micro. Mike has reported back that it is a bug in
MSAA in the Microsoft code itself. Microsoft will be informed, but who knows
when a fix might come out.
 


Regards, John

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-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 31 October 2006 17:21
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos

Hi Brian,

I don't know if this works, as I only have one calendar, but from the readme
file, if you do this, then WE should show all the information in all the
selected calendars:-

** Extract Begins **

1. Press CTRL-2 to open the Microsoft Outlook calendar view.
2. Press F6 to focus the list of available calendars.
3. Press the Up or Down arrow to maneuver through the list of available
calendars.
4. Press the Space bar to check or uncheck the selected calendar. 

When new calendars are selected, the Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar dialog
will automatically refresh to include the new information. 

** Extract Ends **

So are you saying this doesn't work?

As for getting a list of attendees with one keystroke, I am not sure this is
possible.  But it should be contained in the read-only edit box, so there is
only one tab to press, then you can read down the whole appointment details.
I can't test this, as I don't have attendees in the calendar as yet, but I
will play with this.

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-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Brian Hartgen
Sent: 31 October 2006 16:55
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos

Hi Dave

I wrote a lengthy message to the Access UK list about my impressions of
Window-Eyes 6.0 public beta one, and one of the things I talked about in
there was the usability of the calendar using the "special" Window-Eyes
interface.  In particular, I mentioned the chattiness within the interface
in respect of navigating appointments.

Steve Nutt very usefully replied to the effect that you can reduce this
extra speech within the verbosity, but I have not had the opportunity to try
it yet.

I am glad you like the JAWS functionality of the calendar though, as I can
say I had a reasonable amount to do with its implementation and
functionality as of JAWS 6.0 when the support was significantly improved
upon.  From an employment perspective, two of the things which often get
overlooked with JAWS are that:
A. You can press a keystroke to get the status of all the possible atendees
of a potential meeting when it is being created.  I do not know if
window-eyes can do that but I am sure Steve will let us know.
B. You can view two calendars at once, such as a shared calendar on an
exchange server and a local calendar.  This is very useful for comparison
purposes.  I cannot test this with window-eyes because when I press the hot
key to invoke their special interface in the shared calendar, I get informed
I am not in the calendar.  But even so, this would require two instances of
the custom built dialog open at once and I am not sure if that is possible.

Brian Hartgen


-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Dave Taylor
Sent: 31 October 2006 12:01
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos

Hi,

In Jaws I can very quickly browse through each individual appointment
without having lots of extraneous speech, or I can move by day etc. In the
WE interface, I find you have to hear an awful lot before you can get
through all the information, and I can't find any way of changing the
verbosity in there. I find the Outlook views so customisable that I can get
whatever interface I want really quickly. I agree though, it really is what
you're used to.

Cheers
Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos


> Hi Dave,
>
> Sounds like you haven't thoroughly learned the WE calendar
application. 
> It
> is more efficient, because you can set your appointments by day, week,

> work
> week, month, or even year, which I believe you can't even do in
Outlook,
> setting the range to year I mean.  Also, the radio button stays where
you
> left it, so if your favourite is day, then put the radio button there,
and
> it will be remembered.
>
> I think it is what you are used to with JAWS.  But the problem with
the
> Outlook calendar itself, is there is almost no MSAA information that
any
> screen reader can grab hold of.  So in this instance, I am happy with
the 
> WE
> interface.
>
> By the way, it is not a WE calendar, it is only giving you an
interface to
> the Outlook calendar, so of course, you have to have Outlook running,
for 
> WE
> to get the data.
>
> Personally, in my business day to day use, I think it is the best 
> interface to the Outlook calendar bar none, but that's just me.  I 
> think this
simply
> because with any other screen reader, you have to make sure you are in
the
> right view of the calendar before you get relevant information,
whereas a
> quick Insert-C gives me what I want.
>
> All the best
> --
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Dave Taylor
> Sent: 30 October 2006 19:41
> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't like the calendar application. I don't like the idea of having
to
> use a separate application and I don't like that you have to both
start
> Outlook and the WE Calendar application.  I also do like a flexibility
on
> how I view appointments. I don't like browsing each day to be told how

> many
> appointments I have, I just want to cut straight to the chase and her
the
> next appointment. Yes, it's usable, but it really isn't as efficient
as 
> the
> shark,key.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:26 PM
> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> What are you saying here?  Are you saying Outlook 2003 is Wineyes'
major
>> downfall?  I use it all day, every day.  What problems are you
having?
>>
>> All the best
>> --
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>> Behalf Of Dave Taylor
>> Sent: 30 October 2006 17:35
>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>
>> Hi, I found Viavoice to be much more like Jaws Eloquence than is
Wineyes
>> Eloquence! It's very weird, I put Viavoice on in preference because I 
>> prefered it.
>>
>> Now I've only had a very quick look so far, but Wineyes is definitely 
>> competitive now, and I'm a well known Jaws fan.  I've had a quick
play in
>> Word, Excell, MSN, on the internet and in Outlook 2003, which was its

>> only
>> major downfall so far!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:57 PM
>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Interesting.  I have both WE and JFW on my system here, and there
really
>>> is
>>> no difference in the two Eloquences.  Are you sure that you don't
have
>>> Viavoice selected?  That to me is truly horrible.
>>>
>>> All the best
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>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Dave Taylor
>>> Sent: 30 October 2006 16:50
>>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>
>>> Hi, The Wineyes version of Eloquence has very cut down sound
compared to
>>> others. It shoundsh like itch hash a shlur! that'sh all!
>>>
>>> Cheersh
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:43 PM
>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Go on then, I'll bite.  What's wrong with their version of
Eloquence?
>>>> At
>>>> least it is not locked to Window-Eyes only, but the JAWS one is
locked
>>>> to
>>>> JAWS only.
>>>>
>>>> I will investigate the demo restriction you speak of.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>> --
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>>>> http://www.comproom.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Dave Taylor
>>>> Sent: 30 October 2006 15:49
>>>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I have indeed tried to change it. I've hit enter to get the 
>>>> dialogue box and all that happens is the menu closes! It's true in 
>>>> both versions
as
>>>> I've
>>>> just tried 6.0 as well.  I hate their version of eloquence too!
Thank
>>>> god
>>>> I've got viavoice on here!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:31 PM
>>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure that the demo is locked in beginner mode?  Have you
tried
>>>>> changing it in the Global menu?  I will check this out with GW
Micro 
>>>>> if
>>>>> so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
>>>>> --
>>>>> Computer Room Services:  the long cane for blind computer users.
>>>>> Telephone Low-call:  08452 606 277
>>>>> International:  +44(0)1438 742286,
>>>>> Fax:  +44(0)1438 759589
>>>>> mobile:  +44(0)7956 334938,
>>>>> Email:  mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web site:  
>>>>> http://www.comproom.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Dave Taylor
>>>>> Sent: 30 October 2006 14:53
>>>>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [bcab] Wineyes Demos
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, a bit of playing around with what is supposed to be a fully 
>>>>> featured demo reveals that it isn't! To get to most of the 
>>>>> options, you
have to
>>>>> be
>>>>> in
>>>>> advanced mode, and the demo is locked in beginner mode! Oh well!
It
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> just FS is it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Dave
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