[bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos

Hi Dave,

Insert-V is the kiddie if you want to change the verbosity.  Do it when the
calendar dialogue is open.

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-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Dave Taylor
Sent: 31 October 2006 12:01
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos

Hi,

In Jaws I can very quickly browse through each individual appointment
without having lots of extraneous speech, or I can move by day etc. In the
WE interface, I find you have to hear an awful lot before you can get
through all the information, and I can't find any way of changing the
verbosity in there. I find the Outlook views so customisable that I can get
whatever interface I want really quickly. I agree though, it really is what
you're used to.

Cheers
Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos


> Hi Dave,
>
> Sounds like you haven't thoroughly learned the WE calendar application. 
> It
> is more efficient, because you can set your appointments by day, week, 
> work
> week, month, or even year, which I believe you can't even do in Outlook,
> setting the range to year I mean.  Also, the radio button stays where you
> left it, so if your favourite is day, then put the radio button there, and
> it will be remembered.
>
> I think it is what you are used to with JAWS.  But the problem with the
> Outlook calendar itself, is there is almost no MSAA information that any
> screen reader can grab hold of.  So in this instance, I am happy with the 
> WE
> interface.
>
> By the way, it is not a WE calendar, it is only giving you an interface to
> the Outlook calendar, so of course, you have to have Outlook running, for 
> WE
> to get the data.
>
> Personally, in my business day to day use, I think it is the best 
> interface
> to the Outlook calendar bar none, but that's just me.  I think this simply
> because with any other screen reader, you have to make sure you are in the
> right view of the calendar before you get relevant information, whereas a
> quick Insert-C gives me what I want.
>
> All the best
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf
> Of Dave Taylor
> Sent: 30 October 2006 19:41
> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't like the calendar application. I don't like the idea of having to
> use a separate application and I don't like that you have to both start
> Outlook and the WE Calendar application.  I also do like a flexibility on
> how I view appointments. I don't like browsing each day to be told how 
> many
> appointments I have, I just want to cut straight to the chase and her the
> next appointment. Yes, it's usable, but it really isn't as efficient as 
> the
> shark,key.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:26 PM
> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> What are you saying here?  Are you saying Outlook 2003 is Wineyes' major
>> downfall?  I use it all day, every day.  What problems are you having?
>>
>> All the best
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Dave Taylor
>> Sent: 30 October 2006 17:35
>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>
>> Hi, I found Viavoice to be much more like Jaws Eloquence than is Wineyes
>> Eloquence! It's very weird, I put Viavoice on in preference because I
>> prefered it.
>>
>> Now I've only had a very quick look so far, but Wineyes is definitely
>> competitive now, and I'm a well known Jaws fan.  I've had a quick play in
>> Word, Excell, MSN, on the internet and in Outlook 2003, which was its 
>> only
>> major downfall so far!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:57 PM
>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Interesting.  I have both WE and JFW on my system here, and there really
>>> is
>>> no difference in the two Eloquences.  Are you sure that you don't have
>>> Viavoice selected?  That to me is truly horrible.
>>>
>>> All the best
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Dave Taylor
>>> Sent: 30 October 2006 16:50
>>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>
>>> Hi, The Wineyes version of Eloquence has very cut down sound compared to
>>> others. It shoundsh like itch hash a shlur! that'sh all!
>>>
>>> Cheersh
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:43 PM
>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Go on then, I'll bite.  What's wrong with their version of Eloquence?
>>>> At
>>>> least it is not locked to Window-Eyes only, but the JAWS one is locked
>>>> to
>>>> JAWS only.
>>>>
>>>> I will investigate the demo restriction you speak of.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Dave Taylor
>>>> Sent: 30 October 2006 15:49
>>>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I have indeed tried to change it. I've hit enter to get the 
>>>> dialogue
>>>> box
>>>> and all that happens is the menu closes! It's true in both versions as
>>>> I've
>>>> just tried 6.0 as well.  I hate their version of eloquence too! Thank
>>>> god
>>>> I've got viavoice on here!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:31 PM
>>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure that the demo is locked in beginner mode?  Have you tried
>>>>> changing it in the Global menu?  I will check this out with GW Micro 
>>>>> if
>>>>> so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
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>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Dave Taylor
>>>>> Sent: 30 October 2006 14:53
>>>>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [bcab] Wineyes Demos
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, a bit of playing around with what is supposed to be a fully
>>>>> featured
>>>>> demo reveals that it isn't! To get to most of the options, you have to
>>>>> be
>>>>> in
>>>>> advanced mode, and the demo is locked in beginner mode! Oh well! It
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> just FS is it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
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