[bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos

Hi Dave,

Just one more thing, I just tried to get my next appointment, and because I
had my appointments set by month, I did it in one single keystroke.  Just
press Insert-C, and my next appointment was in the list box, and was in
focus.  So I can do it in one keystroke.  Kool!

All the best
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-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 31 October 2006 11:20
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos

Hi Dave,

Sounds like you haven't thoroughly learned the WE calendar application.  It
is more efficient, because you can set your appointments by day, week, work
week, month, or even year, which I believe you can't even do in Outlook,
setting the range to year I mean.  Also, the radio button stays where you
left it, so if your favourite is day, then put the radio button there, and
it will be remembered.

I think it is what you are used to with JAWS.  But the problem with the
Outlook calendar itself, is there is almost no MSAA information that any
screen reader can grab hold of.  So in this instance, I am happy with the WE
interface.

By the way, it is not a WE calendar, it is only giving you an interface to
the Outlook calendar, so of course, you have to have Outlook running, for WE
to get the data.

Personally, in my business day to day use, I think it is the best interface
to the Outlook calendar bar none, but that's just me.  I think this simply
because with any other screen reader, you have to make sure you are in the
right view of the calendar before you get relevant information, whereas a
quick Insert-C gives me what I want.

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-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Dave Taylor
Sent: 30 October 2006 19:41
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos

Hi,

I don't like the calendar application. I don't like the idea of having to
use a separate application and I don't like that you have to both start
Outlook and the WE Calendar application.  I also do like a flexibility on
how I view appointments. I don't like browsing each day to be told how many
appointments I have, I just want to cut straight to the chase and her the
next appointment. Yes, it's usable, but it really isn't as efficient as the
shark,key.

Cheers
Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos


> Hi Dave,
>
> What are you saying here?  Are you saying Outlook 2003 is Wineyes' 
> major downfall?  I use it all day, every day.  What problems are you
having?
>
> All the best
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Dave Taylor
> Sent: 30 October 2006 17:35
> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>
> Hi, I found Viavoice to be much more like Jaws Eloquence than is 
> Wineyes Eloquence! It's very weird, I put Viavoice on in preference 
> because I prefered it.
>
> Now I've only had a very quick look so far, but Wineyes is definitely 
> competitive now, and I'm a well known Jaws fan.  I've had a quick play 
> in Word, Excell, MSN, on the internet and in Outlook 2003, which was 
> its only major downfall so far!
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:57 PM
> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Interesting.  I have both WE and JFW on my system here, and there 
>> really is no difference in the two Eloquences.  Are you sure that you 
>> don't have Viavoice selected?  That to me is truly horrible.
>>
>> All the best
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>> Behalf Of Dave Taylor
>> Sent: 30 October 2006 16:50
>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>
>> Hi, The Wineyes version of Eloquence has very cut down sound compared 
>> to others. It shoundsh like itch hash a shlur! that'sh all!
>>
>> Cheersh
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:43 PM
>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Go on then, I'll bite.  What's wrong with their version of Eloquence? 
>>> At
>>> least it is not locked to Window-Eyes only, but the JAWS one is 
>>> locked to JAWS only.
>>>
>>> I will investigate the demo restriction you speak of.
>>>
>>> All the best
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>>> On Behalf Of Dave Taylor
>>> Sent: 30 October 2006 15:49
>>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>
>>> Hi, I have indeed tried to change it. I've hit enter to get the 
>>> dialogue box and all that happens is the menu closes! It's true in 
>>> both versions as I've just tried 6.0 as well.  I hate their version 
>>> of eloquence too! Thank god I've got viavoice on here!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:31 PM
>>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Wineyes Demos
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure that the demo is locked in beginner mode?  Have you 
>>>> tried changing it in the Global menu?  I will check this out with 
>>>> GW Micro if so.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Taylor
>>>> Sent: 30 October 2006 14:53
>>>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [bcab] Wineyes Demos
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Well, a bit of playing around with what is supposed to be a fully 
>>>> featured demo reveals that it isn't! To get to most of the options, 
>>>> you have to be in advanced mode, and the demo is locked in beginner 
>>>> mode! Oh well! It isn't just FS is it!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Dave
>>>>
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