[bcab] Re: WebAnywhere: a free screen reader accessed via the web

Not sure about the stifaling innovation. I think that might be over stating it 
somewhat but I do agree that no one screenreader is more right than any other. 
However I also know that of the free offerings available the one I find easiest 
to use is the one which requires me to use application specific keystrokes 
least often and which when I do, they are quite closely aligned to the concepts 
and keystrokes of the pay for product I also use, for example the same modifier 
key.  As it happens these to products are SAtoGo and JFW but I don't consider 
these 2 to be particularly more or less innovative than others. Individually 
would be a different discussion but together...

Adrian Higginbotham
Project manager: Learning services
Becta
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-----Original Message-----
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Isaac Porat
Sent: 25 April 2008 20:37
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: WebAnywhere: a free screen reader accessed via the web

I agree with you Steve - user interface which includes the use of keystrokes is 
part of the innovation process and should not be fixed.

Regards
Isaac


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From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Steve Nutt
Sent: 25 April 2008 17:25
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: WebAnywhere: a free screen reader accessed via the web

Hi Alan,

Having one set of keystrokes stifles creativity.  I like competition in screen 
readers.  Does JAWS have the right keystrokes? Does Window-Eyes? Does Hal? Who 
is to say.  Keystrokes are very personal things, and at least the main screen 
readers let you redefine them if you don't like them.

All the best

Steve

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From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
alan rayner
Sent: Friday 25 April 2008 10:45
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: WebAnywhere: a free screen reader accessed via the web

Hello Adrian
I agree with your sentiments.  These developers are indeed doing a noble job, 
but can I also add another comment which I think has already been touched upon 
before.  I like others, love to try these new products, but I usually give up 
before fully testing them because it means learning another new set of key 
strokes.  If only there was just one standard set of key stroke commands for 
all of them, we could do a thorough comparison much easier.
cheers
Alan Michael Rayner
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From: "Adrian Higginbotham" <adrian.higginbotham@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 10:11 AM
Subject: [bcab] Re: WebAnywhere: a free screen reader accessed via the web


HI Yeliz:
All this backward and forward comparison of NVDA, SA to go, WebAnywhere, 
Firevox, and others is rather my point.  They have lots in common and each a 
minor difference all making it very difficult to differentiate between them
- which one best suits me and my particular requirements?

If as many as possible, especially the open source projects, could collaborate 
we might have one tool that was more cable than any of the 2 or
3 different ones.  Seems to me that NVDA and WebAnywhere have but a lot of 
effert in to creating lots of the same things.  If one had learned from the 
other we might have a free, open source, portable screenreader, that could also 
be run from the Web and be used to access Web and local resources and work in 
popular productivity applications.  Instead we have two similar products with I 
suspect many drawbacks in common.

And while I'm sure the motives behind WebAnywhere are commendable and all the 
individuals involved inspirational, hardworking and generally good eggs I can't 
say I'm surprised. Products from academic institutions usually exist because of 
a funding opportunity which doesn't allow for building on what already exists.  
Time and Budget mean you have to start from scratch and finish with a 
deliverable rather than demonstrating contribution to an ongoing larger piece 
of work.

Is WebAnywhere a useful and valuable project - very probably, Will the product 
be in regular use by VI people in 12 months time - I suspect not but lets hope 
I'm wrong.

Adrian Higginbotham
Project manager: Learning services
Becta
Tel: Direct dial 024 7679 7333 - Becta switchboard 02476-416994.
Email: Adrian.Higginbotham@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Web: http://www.becta.org.uk/
BECTA, Millburn Hill Road, Science Park, Coventry, CV4 7JJ


-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Yeliz Yesilada
Sent: 25 April 2008 03:00
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: WebAnywhere: a free screen reader accessed via the web

Hi Adrian,

Compared to others, to use Webanywhere the user does not need to install any 
special software, the user can just use a conventional browser such as Firefox 
and IE. You can access the Web from any computer without installing any 
application. There might be cases where the user does not have write 
permissions to install application on a computer or the user does not have an 
application in a stick or on a CD, for example libraries, etc.

And Webanywhere is open source:
<http://code.google.com/p/webanywhere/>

Regards,
Yeliz.
On 24 Apr 2008, at 17:17, Adrian Higginbotham wrote:
> No steve - this new one only reads webpages as I understand it so I 
> think what you meant was "it's all been done before, but better"
>
>
> Adrian Higginbotham
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> Hi Steve,
>
> It's all been done before.  http://www.satogo.com, and it is available 
> now.
> Not only that, it offers magnification as well.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
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